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Alienated Mom needs some advice, very sad

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Florida

I made the mistake of agreeing to let my three kids live with their father when we got divorced so I could go to school. The only way I would go along with that is if there was to be no child support enforced and I could freely see my children when I wanted. Meaning that they would live with him but if I was available to pick them up or drop them off from school I would. Basically do everything I could when I was not in school. I made myself freely available to help with the children. I love them very much and it was heart breaking to let them go when I had been a stay at home mom when we were married and took care of them day and night. He convinced me that this would be best for me. That I need to go to school and not have the stress of raising three small children.

I did not realize that his plan was to find another woman to take my place. About 6 months after the divorce was finalize he moved in a girlfriend and he stopped letting me see the children like I was suppose to. He moved as far from me as possible but still within the boundary of the court order. I had to drive 70 miles one way to pick them up and drop them off. This made it difficult for me to be involved with my kids school and activities and maintain my college education. He would not answer the phone when it was my weekend to have the children. Sometimes I would go 6 weeks without seeing them, and when I would see them not all of the children wanted to come with me.

On one occasion I went to pick them up for my time and he told me they were not there, they were on a boat with some friends. I called him a few hours later and asked if they were back yet and he said no. I decided to drive by since I was still in the area and that's when I saw my daughter playing in the yard. He had just lied to me and said they were not there.

He has also allowed his phone to be disconnected for 2 weeks and not bother to call me and inform me of a new number to reach him on. He gives me one phone number, no email or anything and if I can't get a hold of him too bad he says.

The girlfriend is another whole pain in my butt. She really believes that she is my kids mom. She told me in front of my kids to my face that I am nothing that she is their mom. I informed the father that I was taking my kids to open house and he said no. I told him he cant deny me that, and I was going. When the girlfriend showed up with the kids she dragged them off away from me like I was the plague and called the police. She has called me numerous times and threatens me that I will never see my kids again.

As you can see I am being alienated from my children and it is very painful. I tried to get my kid counceling through the school but the father refuses saying they don't need counceling. I will be filing paperwork to take him to court and ask the judge that it is in the children's best intrest to live with me because I will foster a much more healthy relationship than the one they are currently in. I would never lie or deny their father the right to see them, but him and his girlfriend are trying to push me out and turn my kids against me. I am concerned about my children and what they are being told about me. The last time I saw them was the beginning of this month. It has been over 20 days since I've had time with them. Also, I only got them for 6 days over the summer because for 2 weeks his phone was off and the other time he would not answer.

I am wondering if you think I have a good enough case to win the request to have the children live with me. I believe that what they are being exposed to is unhealthy and especially when the father is refusing the children counceling. I cry everyday because I love my kids and they wouldn't even look at me when I called their names at school. They looked down at the ground as they were dragged away by the girlfriend.

There is also so much more that they have done but I don't want to write a book. I think you get the general idea of what is going on.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
 


The court order states that we have shared parenting but the children will live with the father during the school year. I will have open uspecified visitation and be able to pick them up weekday afternoons. I also get them every other weekend and holidays. In the summer I am suppose to have them 2 weeks of uninterupted time and the rest shall be shared equally.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
The court order states that we have shared parenting but the children will live with the father during the school year. I will have open uspecified visitation and be able to pick them up weekday afternoons. I also get them every other weekend and holidays. In the summer I am suppose to have them 2 weeks of uninterupted time and the rest shall be shared equally.
Can you prove that living with you would be better than with Dad?

(the girlfriend's interference is NOT good - she needs to step back if she's presenting herself as Mom. But other than this I'm not seeing anything to justify a change in custody)
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Florida

I made the mistake of agreeing to let my three kids live with their father when we got divorced so I could go to school. The only way I would go along with that is if there was to be no child support enforced and I could freely see my children when I wanted. Meaning that they would live with him but if I was available to pick them up or drop them off from school I would. Basically do everything I could when I was not in school. I made myself freely available to help with the children. I love them very much and it was heart breaking to let them go when I had been a stay at home mom when we were married and took care of them day and night. He convinced me that this would be best for me. That I need to go to school and not have the stress of raising three small children.

I did not realize that his plan was to find another woman to take my place. About 6 months after the divorce was finalize he moved in a girlfriend and he stopped letting me see the children like I was suppose to. He moved as far from me as possible but still within the boundary of the court order. I had to drive 70 miles one way to pick them up and drop them off. This made it difficult for me to be involved with my kids school and activities and maintain my college education. He would not answer the phone when it was my weekend to have the children. Sometimes I would go 6 weeks without seeing them, and when I would see them not all of the children wanted to come with me.

On one occasion I went to pick them up for my time and he told me they were not there, they were on a boat with some friends. I called him a few hours later and asked if they were back yet and he said no. I decided to drive by since I was still in the area and that's when I saw my daughter playing in the yard. He had just lied to me and said they were not there.

He has also allowed his phone to be disconnected for 2 weeks and not bother to call me and inform me of a new number to reach him on. He gives me one phone number, no email or anything and if I can't get a hold of him too bad he says.

The girlfriend is another whole pain in my butt. She really believes that she is my kids mom. She told me in front of my kids to my face that I am nothing that she is their mom. I informed the father that I was taking my kids to open house and he said no. I told him he cant deny me that, and I was going. When the girlfriend showed up with the kids she dragged them off away from me like I was the plague and called the police. She has called me numerous times and threatens me that I will never see my kids again.

As you can see I am being alienated from my children and it is very painful. I tried to get my kid counceling through the school but the father refuses saying they don't need counceling. I will be filing paperwork to take him to court and ask the judge that it is in the children's best intrest to live with me because I will foster a much more healthy relationship than the one they are currently in. I would never lie or deny their father the right to see them, but him and his girlfriend are trying to push me out and turn my kids against me. I am concerned about my children and what they are being told about me. The last time I saw them was the beginning of this month. It has been over 20 days since I've had time with them. Also, I only got them for 6 days over the summer because for 2 weeks his phone was off and the other time he would not answer.

I am wondering if you think I have a good enough case to win the request to have the children live with me. I believe that what they are being exposed to is unhealthy and especially when the father is refusing the children counceling. I cry everyday because I love my kids and they wouldn't even look at me when I called their names at school. They looked down at the ground as they were dragged away by the girlfriend.

There is also so much more that they have done but I don't want to write a book. I think you get the general idea of what is going on.What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
Do I understand you correctly that there are court orders, but no specific schedule for visitation for you?

You absolutely need to take this back to court. You can certainly ask for primary custody but it may be that you won't end up with primary custody, but will end up with an enforceable visitation schedule. Then if dad didn't honor the new orders, you would have to take him to court for contempt.

Do this ASAP. If you can get an attorney that would be best, but if you cannot then you can do it yourself.
 
The father lies to me when it's my turn to pick them up for the weekend, says they are not home. He tells me I can not take them to school activities because that is what the girlfriend does. He talks bad about me to the children and tells them that I abandoned them. My son asks me almost everytime I have them why did I leave them, and I say I didn't, I'm right here, and he says well daddy said you left us cause you didnt want us. My sister was in the car when he said this.

They would be better off living with me because I am not bitter and I would not keep my children from seeing their father or talk bad about him. My ex is bitter because I would not get back with him. To this day he still tries to get me to be with him, that all this would be fine if I would just come home. We've been divorced for 4 years and he's punishing me and hoping if he keeps the kids from me I'll give in and come back. He tells me he hates his girlfriend and she is only there to babysit ect. He works all the time and the girlfriend is left to watch them. I am a student and I would go to school when they were at school and be available to take care of them more than he is.

I dont see how I could allow them to stay in a home where the father talks bad about me and trys to keep me out of there lives. I would foster a much healthier relationship than he has. I only have the best interest of my children at heart and what he is doing is hurting them. They are sad and upset because he makes them feel bad when they want to come over and visit me.
 
Do I understand you correctly that there are court orders, but no specific schedule for visitation for you?

You absolutely need to take this back to court. You can certainly ask for primary custody but it may be that you won't end up with primary custody, but will end up with an enforceable visitation schedule. Then if dad didn't honor the new orders, you would have to take him to court for contempt.

Do this ASAP. If you can get an attorney that would be best, but if you cannot then you can do it yourself.
There is an enforceable order all ready set. He has just not followed the agreement. I get them every other weekend and holidays, weekday afternoons and two weeks of uninterupted time in the summer. I have never gotten any of that since the divorce. He avoids my calls or gives me excuses as to why I cant pick them up. He also talks bad about me to the children and they feel guilty if they show me affection in front of him.
 

Isis1

Senior Member
There is an enforceable order all ready set. He has just not followed the agreement. I get them every other weekend and holidays, weekday afternoons and two weeks of uninterupted time in the summer. I have never gotten any of that since the divorce. He avoids my calls or gives me excuses as to why I cant pick them up. He also talks bad about me to the children and they feel guilty if they show me affection in front of him.
on your court ordered time. go pick up the children at dad's house. if they are NOT there, call a police escort. the police may scare dad enough to comply, but they probably actually do anything as this is a civil matter. get a copy of the police report. you need that document to prove you were there and dad refused to comply with the court order. take that police report and file for contempt on dad. do this each and every time dad does this. don't let this man walk all over you. stand your ground. your children will thank you for it one day.
 
on your court ordered time. go pick up the children at dad's house. if they are NOT there, call a police escort. the police may scare dad enough to comply, but they probably actually do anything as this is a civil matter. get a copy of the police report. you need that document to prove you were there and dad refused to comply with the court order. take that police report and file for contempt on dad. do this each and every time dad does this. don't let this man walk all over you. stand your ground. your children will thank you for it one day.
My ex is a police officer so I don't know if that would help me. The reason I never called the police is because I didn't want my children to have to go through all of this drama. I thought it was best that I lay low and saw the kids as much as I could, but now I see that it is not. It is better for me to stand up for myself and not allow him to continue this.

Since I think calling the police would not help in this situation, I have started bringing my sister along with me on my pick up days to witness any incidents that occur. I have also kept a diary for that last two months documenting everything. I am hoping this helps me in court to prove they are alienating me from the kids.
 

Isis1

Senior Member
My ex is a police officer so I don't know if that would help me. The reason I never called the police is because I didn't want my children to have to go through all of this drama. I thought it was best that I lay low and saw the kids as much as I could, but now I see that it is not. It is better for me to stand up for myself and not allow him to continue this.

Since I think calling the police would not help in this situation, I have started bringing my sister along with me on my pick up days to witness any incidents that occur. I have also kept a diary for that last two months documenting everything. I am hoping this helps me in court to prove they are alienating me from the kids.
your sister is baised. i'm sorry, you need an uninvolved third party. you need real documentation. like a police report. believe me, i've been there. i did the whole, "i'll keep quiet, and be at this man's mercy". gues what? dad says "oh look, your mommy doesn't love you, she didn't come see you"

the faster you stop this behavior, the faster you can fix your relationship with your children. they will get over it.
 
Well I just found out the girlfriend has filed a restraining order on me to try to keep me from my kids. She thinks if she has a restraining order that is going to keep me away from the kids activities at school and after school because she is the one that takes them to these functions. This woman lied on a police report that I hit her which they found to be false and did not file charges against me.

Is there anything I should or could do? Can she keep me from my kids school or other activites because of this? I dont think a judge will order the restraining order but still she has some serious issues.
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
My dad used to talk crap about my mom to me and my brother. I told my mom about it and she told me I didn't have to let him do it, that I should tell him "I don't like it when you say bad things about mom" every time he did it. It had never occurred to me before that I could tell him to stop! So I did, and eventually he stopped.

Moral being, you should tell your kids the same thing my mom told me.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Well I just found out the girlfriend has filed a restraining order on me to try to keep me from my kids. She thinks if she has a restraining order that is going to keep me away from the kids activities at school and after school because she is the one that takes them to these functions. This woman lied on a police report that I hit her which they found to be false and did not file charges against me.

Is there anything I should or could do? Can she keep me from my kids school or other activites because of this? I dont think a judge will order the restraining order but still she has some serious issues.
YOU need to make sure you attend all hearings regarding the restraining order. If she shows up at YOUR CHILDREN's ACTIVITIES then you have the school ask her to leave.
 
YOU need to make sure you attend all hearings regarding the restraining order. If she shows up at YOUR CHILDREN's ACTIVITIES then you have the school ask her to leave.
Can I be banned from my kids activities? My children are in a bowling league and I attended one of the events where she showed up and the father was not present. (it was my weekend to have the kids) She grabbed my son from me while I was talking to him and dragged him off to the lanes. I decided it was best to ignore her and continue to watch my kids play. The whole time she was there interfering with my contact with the children. When I tried to talk to them she approached me and said she was there mom not me. We got into an arguement in the parking lot and she went inside and told them I attacked her and she would have me banned from the bowling alley so I could not attend their events.

I tell the father and he says this is between you two. Both of you are crazy and I am the good guy in all of this. I could care less if you both kill each other.

I have not gone to the bowling alley to ask if I am really banned or not, but I was wondering if they could ban me for no reason. Well they probably could because it's private property and all, but I do not see how this is right since she is just a girlfriend and I am their mom. I should be allowed to attend their activities without her interferring.

What should I do?
 
just my opinion

You need to familiarize yourself w/your states family code/statutes. Know your rights and duties. You can do this online using Google. Know what you can seek or have an attorney seek for you. Make sure you are listed as the mother on everything ie school records, Dr.s, extra curriculars.

Obviously the gf has become very involved where you and/or dad weren't. I'm saying this as a mother and step parent- SHE can only get away w/as much as you allow her to. She has no right to step on your toes. She has no rights above you. You mayhap could get restraining order against her.

When dealing w/parental alienation..You can only combat that by being there for your kids. My husband/we have dealt w/ PA for years. Stand your ground w/what you do have by way of court order.

My hubby's ex is married to a police officer. No matter. DH called the sheriff & the sheriff made the ex hand over the child. Here, in TX, officers do now have the right to enforce a court order.
Document all w/times & dates. Be consistent w/visitation. Again, just my opinion. Another thing regarding dad not answering phone for you to get visits..Try to do all in writing..certified mail. State when you are exercising visitation for the next however many months..make him have to respond w/ a mutual schedule..If the letter was signed for and you dont receive reply..show up at stated times. Make him have to reply n writing.
 
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