5 children

[brenau]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? We live in Texas, the kids in Florida.

My questions are regarding my fiance's alleged 5 children.

He apparently father 5 children with a woman who's moral character is not one to write home to mom about. She was married to another man during the time she had these children with my fiance, Mike. We know that the husband is not the biological father of these children because he has had a vascetemy, and to my knowledge has had DNA testing proving he's not the father.

To provide a little more history, my fiance was never invited to the birth's of any of these children, is not on the birth certificate, and really has never had much to do with them. One of which he's never laid eyes on. Now, this woman has a very long history with DCF. To my knowledge she recently had them taken away, (again) due to her drug use. She's unemployed, collects SSI for her "disabled" son, she has a total of 7 children, and collects rent from her "roomates."

Now she's filed paternity case against my fiance Mike. Now my questions are, to my understanding, doesn't child support mean he would be awared some kind of custody with these children? Would Mike be able to argue in a court that given her drug history and rap sheet with DCF, could he sue for full custody should these children actually prove to all be his? We are also planning on having a child of our own in the future, would future children affect the amount of child support he had to pay? And aren't both parent's obligated to financially support the child? Would should be able to just remain on government assistance, while being supported by her husband and roomates, and collect child support while remaining unemployed herself?

Please help.

 

[TheGeekess]

Now she's filed paternity case against my fiance Mike. Now my questions are, to my understanding, doesn't child support mean he would be awared some kind of custody with these children?

Custody/visitation are a separate issue. Child support is not a ticket.

Would Mike be able to argue in a court that given her drug history and rap sheet with DCF, could he sue for full custody should these children actually prove to all be his?

Not in a support hearing. And obviously, he's been fine with it for these last several years. Why stop now? Oh, because now it's dipping into his pocketbook!

We are also planning on having a child of our own in the future, would future children affect the amount of child support he had to pay?

I don't think Florida is going to give credit for that. That child's not even a twinkle in anyone's eye yet. And you might want to rethink this whole thing about having children with this man. He's got five children he's never supported at all. What makes you think that yours is going to be any more special to him?

And aren't both parent's obligated to financially support the child?

Yes. And it's Dad's turn.

Would should be able to just remain on government assistance, while being supported by her husband and roomates, and collect child support while remaining unemployed herself?

The state will be paid back at some point. And your husband will be the one paying it back.

 

[CourtClerk]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? We live in Texas, the kids in Florida.

My questions are regarding my fiance's alleged 5 children.

He apparently father 5 children with a woman who's moral character is not one to write home to mom about.

Let me get this right. Your "fiance" had 5 out of wedlock children with this drugged out MARRIED woman and HER moral character is not one to write home about. You may want to look at your boyfriend a little closer, honey and not call the kettle black. Your boyfriend is surely the pot.

She was married to another man during the time she had these children with my fiance, Mike. We know that the husband is not the biological father of these children because he has had a vascetemy, and to my knowledge has had DNA testing proving he's not the father.

ok

To provide a little more history, my fiance was never invited to the birth's of any of these children,

it's childbirth, not a party

is not on the birth certificate

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which means that with these 5 children, he has NEVER taken the initiative to establish paternity on what could be HIS children. He's alright leaving well enough alone and THIS is the man you've decided to hitch onto. Great. Don't have kids. He has enough and clearly isn't worth the sperm used to create him.

and really has never had much to do with them.

And you found this SUCH an endearing quality, you want to marry him.

One of which he's never laid eyes on.

*smh* desperation must be a son of a b*tch.

Now, this woman has a very long history with DCF. To my knowledge she recently had them taken away, (again) due to her drug use.

Again means she had one before, but your boyfriend decided to screw her MULTIPLE times knowing this.

She's unemployed, collects SSI for her "disabled" son, she has a total of 7 children, and collects rent from her "roomates."

So. She gets income. And?

Now she's filed paternity case against my fiance Mike.

She should. He obviously isn't going to do it himself, however, he sure liked sticking it in her.

Now my questions are, to my understanding, doesn't child support mean he would be awared some kind of custody with these children?

Not at all. It means they will establish paternity and order him to support his children. CSE will not get involved in issues regarding custody and/or visitation.

Would Mike be able to argue in a court that given her drug history and rap sheet with DCF, could he sue for full custody should these children actually prove to all be his?

He can argue it, but then he'll put himself right in the firing line. He KNEW she had issues and made 5 children with her anyway. Why wasn't her drug history a cause for concern before? Is it now ONLY because he's going to be ordered to pay support (yes)? This is obviously the only parent these children know and DCFS doesn't just YANK children from their primary care giver. She will be allowed to work a case plan and states are very big on family reunification. So your boyfriend's chances are... slim.

We are also planning on having a child of our own in the future, would future children affect the amount of child support he had to pay?

Florida doesn't give a credit for subsequent children, so his child support will remain the same.

And aren't both parent's obligated to financially support the child?

Yes, and she obviously is, all by herself at this point...

Would should be able to just remain on government assistance, while being supported by her husband and roomates, and collect child support while remaining unemployed herself?

Yes, and the child support will go to the government and your boyfriend will pay the bill while she is on assistance.

 

[majomom1]

Let me get this right. Your "fiance" had 5 out of wedlock children with this drugged out MARRIED woman and HER moral character is not one to write home about. You may want to look at your boyfriend a little closer, honey and not call the kettle black. Your boyfriend is surely the pot.

Ditto this!!! OP, how old are you? You sound very, very, very young. Why are you even contemplating marrying this man OR having a child with him? Are YOU on drugs?

 

[Humusluvr]

Dear brenau -

RUN!!!! GET AWAY FROM THIS DUDE!!!!

That is seriously a situation that I would not want to touch with a ten foot pole!

Get away from this loser!!!

 

[penelope10]

Dear brenau -

RUN!!!! GET AWAY FROM THIS DUDE!!!!

That is seriously a situation that I would not want to touch with a ten foot pole!

Get away from this loser!!!

LOL---beat me to the punch---now if OP is determined to stick, serious realities may have to be faced. Such as BF possibly having to pay CS for 5 kiddos---(and for all the talk of custody/visitation, the reality of the tough road for all should that happen. Not gonna be peaches and cream at first IMO) Plus bringing a 6th child into a situation with a budget probably strained from supporting the first five.

 

[Humusluvr]

Think of it this way brenau...

If you heard this story on Dr. Phil, you would turn up your nose and say, "oh my god, what an idiot loser."

And you're thinking of marrying this reject and having a child?

Stupid stupid stupid.

 

[majomom1]

Think of it this way brenau...

If you heard this story on Dr. Phil, you would turn up your nose and say, "oh my god, what an idiot loser."

And you're thinking of marrying this reject and having a child?

Stupid stupid stupid.

I wouldn't need to see it on Dr. Phil!!! This is a Jerry Springer show! I don't even watch that one, I change the channel!

 

[Humusluvr]

OK, I began to actually feel bad for not answering the OP's legal questions and just making fun of her loser fiancé (whoops, again) so here we go.

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? We live in Texas, the kids in Florida.

My questions are regarding my fiance's alleged 5 children.

Why alleged?

He apparently father 5 children with a woman who's moral character is not one to write home to mom about.

If he was not married to this woman, then his moral character is also in question.

She was married to another man during the time she had these children with my fiance, Mike. We know that the husband is not the biological father of these children because he has had a vascetemy, and to my knowledge has had DNA testing proving he's not the father.

Children born of the marriage are considered husband's children until paternity is disestablished (by the court), then the court has to establish paternity with the "biological father" of the child.

To provide a little more history, my fiance was never invited to the birth's of any of these children,

Why did he have #2 if he wasn't invited to the birth of #1? and then #3, and #4 and #5?

is not on the birth certificate, and really has never had much to do with them.

So he makes 'em, but takes no responsibility for them? Nice.

One of which he's never laid eyes on. Now, this woman has a very long history with DCF. To my knowledge she recently had them taken away, (again) due to her drug use.

Super. What a winner.

She's unemployed, collects SSI for her "disabled" son, she has a total of 7 children, and collects rent from her "roomates."

What a sad life.

Now she's filed paternity case against my fiance Mike. Now my questions are, to my understanding, doesn't child support mean he would be awared some kind of custody with these children?

Different matters. He may just pay out the ying yang for them, probably because mom is on assistance.

Would Mike be able to argue in a court that given her drug history and rap sheet with DCF, could he sue for full custody should these children actually prove to all be his?

Oh sweet Jesus.

We are also planning on having a child of our own in the future, would future children affect the amount of child support he had to pay?

He'll pay out the wazzoo for the 5 that came first, and whatever is left over will be for yours. Read - no much.

And aren't both parent's obligated to financially support the child?

Yes.

Would should be able to just remain on government assistance, while being supported by her husband and roomates, and collect child support while remaining unemployed herself?

SHE isn't supported, THE CHILDREN ARE.

ps. This post makes me want to barf.

 

[majomom1]

OK, I began to actually feel bad for not answering the OP's legal questions and just making fun of her loser fiancé (whoops, again) so here we go.



Why alleged?



If he was not married to this woman, then his moral character is also in question.



Children born of the marriage are considered husband's children until paternity is disestablished (by the court), then the court has to establish paternity with the "biological father" of the child.



Why did he have #2 if he wasn't invited to the birth of #1? and then #3, and #4 and #5?



So he makes 'em, but takes no responsibility for them? Nice.



Super. What a winner.



What a sad life.



Different matters. He may just pay out the ying yang for them, probably because mom is on assistance.



Oh sweet Jesus.


He'll pay out the wazzoo for the 5 that came first, and whatever is left over will be for yours. Read - no much.



Yes.


SHE isn't supported, THE CHILDREN ARE.

ps. This post makes me want to barf.

Guess I am horrible. I didn't feel bad. CC covered all the legal...

 

[brenau]

Well, I wasn't expecting the presumptions and judging.

In any event,

To the poster who said he never made an attempt to establish paternity, he in FACT has. He had a lawyer on retainer who advised him he'd have a difficult and expensive case to prove the children were his since the mother was married and had her husband sign the birth certificates.

He obviously couldn't be there for the birth of the chidlren because she didn't tell them they were being born so he could sign the certificates and claim paternity at the hospitial. He hasn't had anything to do with the children because she REFUSED to allow him to see them, not because he didn't want to. And he has supported them at one point, he gave her cash for years up until she started to refuse him to see them.

Why he continued to have children with her is beyond me, I for one am not going to judge. She told him for years she was leaving her husband, even left him at one point. It's really not the point now. He says if she sue's for custody, he'll finally be able to get custody, which is something he has always wanted, it's not just something he wants because it's "diping in his pocket."

 

[LdiJ]

What really gets me about this post is that she disses the mom for having 7 childen, when her fiance has 5 and is planning on adding a sixth!

 

[Farfalla]

Why on earth are you with this low life? As others have pointed out, his moral character is the same as hers. And you are thinking of brining another child into the worldl with this man? What makes you think that he will treat you and your baby any better than he treats her and his 5 children? When he get tired of you.. he and his next girlfriend will be talking about you the way you are talking about his ex-girlfriend.

Here is a boundry you need to learn before you life goes to hell in a hand basket... a man who has a 5 or more year affair with a married woman is scum. A man who has 5 children with a married woman and never takes care of his children, leaving them in a bad situation is lower than scum. Stay away from scum.

The CS folks are looking for someone to collect from to cover what this woman gets from them. You boyfriend is the next target and it seems. If all 5 children are proven to be his... about 40%-50% of his income will have to go to child support. Yep you and your child(ren) will be living on only 50% of what he makes. Quite honestly he cannot affort any more chidlren.

But here.. thought I'd help you out... here's the Florida web site that he/you will be visiting every month to hand over half of his earnings. You'll need this link....
MyFloridaCounty.com --> Child Support Services

 

[majomom1]

What really gets me about this post is that she disses the mom for having 7 childen, when her fiance has 5 and is planning on adding a sixth!

I agree. And I might believe his excuses with one, or two... but not after 5!!! I have to wonder how many REALLY are even his!!!

 

[LdiJ]

Well, I wasn't expecting the presumptions and judging.

In any event,

To the poster who said he never made an attempt to establish paternity, he in FACT has. He had a lawyer on retainer who advised him he'd have a difficult and expensive case to prove the children were his since the mother was married and had her husband sign the birth certificates.

He obviously couldn't be there for the birth of the chidlren because she didn't tell them they were being born so he could sign the certificates and claim paternity at the hospitial. He hasn't had anything to do with the children because she REFUSED to allow him to see them, not because he didn't want to. And he has supported them at one point, he gave her cash for years up until she started to refuse him to see them.

Why he continued to have children with her is beyond me, I for one am not going to judge. She told him for years she was leaving her husband, even left him at one point. It's really not the point now. He says if she sue's for custody, he'll finally be able to get custody, which is something he has always wanted, it's not just something he wants because it's "diping in his pocket."

If you actually believe the bolded portion then you are very very naive. Do you know how long it takes to have 5 children?...at least 6 or 7 years and that's popping them out quick.