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CdwJava

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It never happened to you, and all of you are clearly for it. There are ways around this law that somewhat intelligent kids will find out and exploit. This law makes getting anywhere extremely inefficient as well, my car pool in the morning to school won't be legal anymore. There are four kids in it, being driven by a 16 and a half year old.
That's been the law in my state for many years. You have to have a license for a year before you can drive anyone but an immediate family member to school, and even then you have to have a note from parents permitting it.

MI is a little behind the 8 ball on this, but it's good to see they are catching up.
 


>Charlotte<

Lurker
The "Old" people made it through their life without this rule, why do they see fit to impose it on me?
And incidentally, if you had to live with some of the rules we DID have that are no longer legal, the last thing you'd be whining about is "two-to-a-car" rules and curfews.

:rolleyes: <---I'll be Pro's Lent surrogate.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
In Michigan, a law recently passed giving 16 year olds a curfew limitation of 10 p.m [on the road], and also restricted the amount of passengers they can have in their car with them to one non-family member. Why is it fair for Michigan to pass this law? Teenagers have no representation, and it affects nobody but them. They have a right to assemble too don't they? Isn't a car an extension of their property as well, giving them the right to be in it whenever they want? Sorry for all of the questions, but I'm turning 16 soon and this law is completely unfair, old people can pass laws on me because they're past the point of it affecting them?
Are you on the road alone then? If not, it YOUR behaviour behind the wheel affects others.

BTW - most of the states are getting much more stringent on driving requirements because of the statistics. Michigan is NOT alone.
 

Teenrights? lol

Junior Member
The only exception to this curfew law is work. School doesn't count. I'm aware that some teenagers make stupid decisions, but restricting them doesn't make them more mature. If you don't expose them to things, then they won't know how to react properly when they have no restrictions. I don't feel as if I'd do anything irresponsible if I was allowed to be out past 10. That law's not going to be followable either, I go places past 10. The reason that drivers of those ages are 5x more likely to be involved in a crash of that degree is because it's the first time they're allowed to be out at that time. So if you push back the years a few, won't they just be 5x more likely to crash then?
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
The only exception to this curfew law is work. School doesn't count. I'm aware that some teenagers make stupid decisions, but restricting them doesn't make them more mature. If you don't expose them to things, then they won't know how to react properly when they have no restrictions. I don't feel as if I'd do anything irresponsible if I was allowed to be out past 10. That law's not going to be followable either, I go places past 10. The reason that drivers of those ages are 5x more likely to be involved in a crash of that degree is because it's the first time they're allowed to be out at that time. So if you push back the years a few, won't they just be 5x more likely to crash then?
No ... you'll have more YEARS under the belt to drive. It could be like Europe where you FIRST get to drive at 18 yo, or completion of high school. In addition, you get to put this funny little sticker on the back of your car saying that you are only allowed to go 55 max. (It's 90 in kilometers.)

And before you get huffy, I am thanking the Lord for that rule for my child who will be 16 soon enough.
 

Teenrights? lol

Junior Member
You guys just assume that all the kids are going to follow this? I don't know one of them who intends to... This is not going to make the roads any safer, this is just another stupid ploy for money and to restrict younger people. All of you have forgotten what it's like to be young and almost have some real freedoms, but 23 days before it, it's taken away.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
You guys just assume that all the kids are going to follow this? I don't know one of them who intends to... This is not going to make the roads any safer, this is just another stupid ploy for money and to restrict younger people. All of you have forgotten what it's like to be young and almost have some real freedoms, but 23 days before it, it's taken away.


..and the kids who get caught will regret their foolishness.

Now is the time where you can show the world that you're either a spoiled brat who bucks authority, or a responsible teen who obeys the laws of the land, even though you disagree with the premise of a particular law.

Choose wisely, my young friend.
 

CdwJava

Senior Member
The only exception to this curfew law is work. School doesn't count. I'm aware that some teenagers make stupid decisions, but restricting them doesn't make them more mature.
It's not designed to make them more mature, it's to protect them from themselves ... and, the rest of ta boot.

If you don't expose them to things, then they won't know how to react properly when they have no restrictions.
I fail to see the valuable life lesson that is learned by allowing a group of teenagers to ride in a car together and how preventing that will somehow cause harm to their development later in life.

I don't feel as if I'd do anything irresponsible if I was allowed to be out past 10.
Maybe YOU wouldn't, but far too many kids your age do. The statistics tend to show that kids out after curfew are astronomically more likely to be involved in deviant activity either as a victim or a suspect.

You're lucky ... my parents did not care what the city's curfew was, I had to be in when THEY wanted me in and that tended to be a lot earlier than what the city said (in fact, I don't even recall what the city curfew was, but I think it was 10 PM ... back in the 60s and 70s ... my parents wanted me in by 7 PM on school nights, and 9 PM on weekends, even if ... )

That law's not going to be followable either, I go places past 10.
Good for you. But, the law gives the police the license to act on such suspicious activity that might attract their attention. Their not likely to carte that you're going to a theater or a friend's house, but if they come upon a group hanging in the park drinking, this gives them a great tool to use in addressing such things.

The reason that drivers of those ages are 5x more likely to be involved in a crash of that degree is because it's the first time they're allowed to be out at that time.
Nope. Not even close. When you get a little older, perhaps you can study the research on collisions and underage drivers. That stat is for ALL serious injury and fatal collisions, not just those involved at night.

So if you push back the years a few, won't they just be 5x more likely to crash then?
Nope. Because they will likely have matured. And the teen stats represent, overwhelmingly, boys - not girls. Boys are more often stupid in cars than girls. Go figure.

Of course you do not see that. My teenage sons don't quite understand it either ... well, one learned the lesson the hard way when he did a stupid thing that cost him $900. Now he acknowledges my point.

Your thinking is typical of teenagers. All of us were there. Fortunately, when we got older, we looked back, shook our heads, muttered how dumb we were, and thank God we survived some of our more egregiously stupid acts.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
I think the total lack of maturity that this OP shows (it's not FAIR) is one of the strongest arguments FOR this type of law.
 

TinkerBelleLuvr

Senior Member
Well, maybe he is stupid enough to get caught by the police and he loses his license completely till he is 18. From the sounds of it, I don't think it will be that hard :D
 

Teenrights? lol

Junior Member
Oh thanks for your vote of confidence Tinker. At least spell the word correctly next time if you intend to make yourself look superior.
Java - So if all I'm doing is heading home after 10, you don't think tat I would be ticketed? The kids who do things illegally like drink and smoke after curfew surely won't be stopping. I live in the same world as they do, and I know them fairly well. If they're smoking, then this would be one of the least of their worries. It's only restricting the kids who follow the rules, which defeats some of the purpose doesn't it? The kids who won't be able to go out aren't the ones doing illegal things to begin with.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Let me ask you a question, here, sport.

Let's suppose that by some miracle you were able to convince every one of us here that the curfew is wrong and that your rights were being abridged.

In what way would that change the law? How would our agreement with your point of view make the law go away?
 

Teenrights? lol

Junior Member
It wouldn't, but I could possibly find some advice from some of you on ways to get around it. The people on this forum's expansive knowledge of the law has got to know a coupe loopholes around them as well.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
It wouldn't, but I could possibly find some advice from some of you on ways to get around it. The people on this forum's expansive knowledge of the law has got to know a coupe loopholes around them as well.


Ah, no son.

That's not how this forum works.

Nobody is going to help you circumvent the law.

:cool:
 
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