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atwnsw

Member
I am a resident of Florida. Okay, here we go.

First you have to have a little brief family background to understand the complexity of this situation.

Dad: 84 years old. Canadian citizen who is a resident of Canada. He is still married to my mother over 50+ years and keeps his residence in Canada.
My Dad must spend at least 6 months a year in Canada to continue receiving health benefits. Recently diagnosed with early stages
of Alzheimer's. Spent most of his life living in Canada but visiting family in Florida. Dysfunctional marriage and he is used to living alone,
making decisions without regard to others including his family, isolated and extremely abrasive. His finances are completely separate from hers.

Mom: 75 years old. US citizen who is a resident of US. She is still married to him and spends only summers with him in Canada. He comes down during
winter months. Attempted over a dozen separations but never divorced. She has no backbone. She was recently diagnosed with White Matter disease.
Translation: Significant short term memory loss and inability to operate organizational parts of her brain. Her finances are completely separate from his.
Upon losing her oldest son she has lost a lot of her mental ability to follow through, focus, etc.....

My 2 brothers and I were born with terminal illness. Lost 1 brother already and close to losing my 2nd brother. Upon his passing my Mom will completely implode.
My health has been good but is finally starting to deteriorate. I have been managing my mom's affairs, my father's affairs, my health, my marriage and my brother's health.
I am completely burned out.

Now to the point:

My Dad lives alone in an apartment often while in Canada and his mental health has started to deteriorate. He leaves the stove on, forgets doctor's appointments, medications, calls continuously and forgets conversations. Starting last summer she said that she would "force him" to move to an assisted living facility. Like her divorce, it never happened. He simply refuses. My brother and I asked him to move and he told us that he would rather be found dead in his apartment than relocate.

My mom has lost a lot of mental brain power to see this to its conclusion and I cannot do it. So, we have agreed to hire somebody to push and organize my mother's efforts when dealing with doctors and the courts.

Step 1) Mom asks doctors to write a medical document to be presented to Dad.
If Dad refuses:
Step 2) Mom asks courts to intervene presenting medical documents as evidence.

My point is that my Mom is going to need to accumulate medical documents for either Step 1 or Step 2. In Canada it is very difficult and time consuming to see a doctor: takes weeks or months to get an appointment because of their socialized medicine.The doctors will likely give my Mom one shot at meeting with her and giving her whatever medical documents, opinions, etc....she requests. Given her confusion when performing the simplest tasks she needs to get it right the first time by having an attorney to tell her what to request from the doctors. Then she can get the documents consolidated and present them to Dad. If he refuses, then she doesn't have to go back to the doctors and ask them for different documents for the courts.

We need a point person to guide Mom. Who should I hire to guide her? What type of attorney? Fortunately we have the finances to hire attorney or ?????

Thanks for hearing me out.

Sincerely,

Charlie Brown
 


LdiJ

Senior Member
I am a resident of Florida. Okay, here we go.

First you have to have a little brief family background to understand the complexity of this situation.

Dad: 84 years old. Canadian citizen who is a resident of Canada. He is still married to my mother over 50+ years and keeps his residence in Canada.
My Dad must spend at least 6 months a year in Canada to continue receiving health benefits. Recently diagnosed with early stages
of Alzheimer's. Spent most of his life living in Canada but visiting family in Florida. Dysfunctional marriage and he is used to living alone,
making decisions without regard to others including his family, isolated and extremely abrasive. His finances are completely separate from hers.

Mom: 75 years old. US citizen who is a resident of US. She is still married to him and spends only summers with him in Canada. He comes down during
winter months. Attempted over a dozen separations but never divorced. She has no backbone. She was recently diagnosed with White Matter disease.
Translation: Significant short term memory loss and inability to operate organizational parts of her brain. Her finances are completely separate from his.
Upon losing her oldest son she has lost a lot of her mental ability to follow through, focus, etc.....

My 2 brothers and I were born with terminal illness. Lost 1 brother already and close to losing my 2nd brother. Upon his passing my Mom will completely implode.
My health has been good but is finally starting to deteriorate. I have been managing my mom's affairs, my father's affairs, my health, my marriage and my brother's health.
I am completely burned out.

Now to the point:

My Dad lives alone in an apartment often while in Canada and his mental health has started to deteriorate. He leaves the stove on, forgets doctor's appointments, medications, calls continuously and forgets conversations. Starting last summer she said that she would "force him" to move to an assisted living facility. Like her divorce, it never happened. He simply refuses. My brother and I asked him to move and he told us that he would rather be found dead in his apartment than relocate.

My mom has lost a lot of mental brain power to see this to its conclusion and I cannot do it. So, we have agreed to hire somebody to push and organize my mother's efforts when dealing with doctors and the courts.

Step 1) Mom asks doctors to write a medical document to be presented to Dad.
If Dad refuses:
Step 2) Mom asks courts to intervene presenting medical documents as evidence.

My point is that my Mom is going to need to accumulate medical documents for either Step 1 or Step 2. In Canada it is very difficult and time consuming to see a doctor: takes weeks or months to get an appointment because of their socialized medicine.The doctors will likely give my Mom one shot at meeting with her and giving her whatever medical documents, opinions, etc....she requests. Given her confusion when performing the simplest tasks she needs to get it right the first time by having an attorney to tell her what to request from the doctors. Then she can get the documents consolidated and present them to Dad. If he refuses, then she doesn't have to go back to the doctors and ask them for different documents for the courts.

We need a point person to guide Mom. Who should I hire to guide her? What type of attorney? Fortunately we have the finances to hire attorney or ?????

Thanks for hearing me out.

Sincerely,

Charlie Brown
Unfortunately there really aren't too many people here who have any real knowledge of Canadian law. You might try googling Canada elder law.
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
Why can't everyone leave dad alone? He obviously has made his choices. He is not bothering anyone. If he gets bad enough they will forceably hospitalize him. Obviously no one has cared enough to go to Canada, disable the stove and help dad find an alternate arrangement to feed himself. Yet miraculously, they want to have him locked up and take control of his assets.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Why can't everyone leave dad alone? He obviously has made his choices. He is not bothering anyone. If he gets bad enough they will forceably hospitalize him. Obviously no one has cared enough to go to Canada, disable the stove and help dad find an alternate arrangement to feed himself. Yet miraculously, they want to have him locked up and take control of his assets.
Obviously you have never had a family member with Alzheimers. Otherwise you would know that dad is no longer capable of making his own choices.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Obviously you have never had a family member with Alzheimers. Otherwise you would know that dad is no longer capable of making his own choices.
Tell me - at what point did you travel up-north and evaluate the dad?

ETA: Each of the things that the OP has described have been done by millions of "normal" folks with not a bit of Alzheimers present. I am NOT saying that the dad should be ignored, just that it's a bit hinky to push for this when dad hasn't even been evaluated yet.
 
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OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
Obviously you have never had a family member with Alzheimers. Otherwise you would know that dad is no longer capable of making his own choices.
If dad was really so bad, why didn't anyone do anything to obtain custody or control during the part of the year he is in Florida? Perhaps it is because they wish him to be safely locked away in Canada, while they dispose of his assets.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Tell me - at what point did you travel up-north and evaluate the dad?

ETA: Each of the things that the OP has described have been done by millions of "normal" folks with not a bit of Alzheimers present. I am NOT saying that the dad should be ignored, just that it's a bit hinky to push for this when dad hasn't even been evaluated yet.
You missed something from the first post:

My Dad must spend at least 6 months a year in Canada to continue receiving health benefits. Recently diagnosed with early stages
of Alzheimer's.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
If dad was really so bad, why didn't anyone do anything to obtain custody or control during the part of the year he is in Florida? Perhaps it is because they wish him to be safely locked away in Canada, while they dispose of his assets.
Obviously you missed this:

My 2 brothers and I were born with terminal illness. Lost 1 brother already and close to losing my 2nd brother
Just who do you think is going to benefit from disposing of his assets?...his children who apparently aren't likely to outlive him?

Or his wife who appears to be in little better shape than he is:

Mom: 75 years old. US citizen who is a resident of US. She is still married to him and spends only summers with him in Canada. He comes down during
winter months. Attempted over a dozen separations but never divorced. She has no backbone. She was recently diagnosed with White Matter disease.
Translation: Significant short term memory loss and inability to operate organizational parts of her brain. Her finances are completely separate from his.
Upon losing her oldest son she has lost a lot of her mental ability to follow through, focus, etc.....
I wish you would actually READ something before insulting posters who obviously are dealing with serious problems.
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
Honestly, as OP is pushing the action, it appears they may be trying to grasp the assets, to leave to their spouse or children. I was trying to be polite and not say it. Once they die, dads Canadian assets might be lost to his family. Greed is not a reason to force dad into a home.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Honestly, as OP is pushing the action, it appears they may be trying to grasp the assets, to leave to their spouse or children. I was trying to be polite and not say it. Once they die, dads Canadian assets might be lost to his family. Greed is not a reason to force dad into a home.
For the love of god...clearly you have not dealt with someone with Alzheimers. It does not appear that they are trying to grasp his assets in any way, shape or form. What it appears that they are trying to do is get a parent with Alzheimers the type of help he needs while they still can. He is not a US citizen, therefore cannot get him the kind of help he needs in the US. They have to do it under the Canadian system.

My dad died from Alzheimers. There is no possible way that he could have lived alone, at all. You have no grasp of the realities of Alzheimers. Next time, consider reading up on an issue before you decide to insult people.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Tell me again...when did you have a chance to get your MD, travel to Canada and evaluate the father?
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Tell me again...when did you have a chance to get your MD, travel to Canada and evaluate the father?
Did you not bother to read my reply to you where I quoted the OP as stating that his father had been diagnosed?
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
If you bother to re-read the post, dad has early stages. Early stages as in mild cognitive impairment. As in the first stage of impairment from just getting old. Obviously, the doctors who diagnosed it did not declare him to be mentally incompetent at the time. Otherwise OP would already have such a declaration in hand.:rolleyes:


For the love of god...clearly you have not dealt with someone with Alzheimers. It does not appear that they are trying to grasp his assets in any way, shape or form. What it appears that they are trying to do is get a parent with Alzheimers the type of help he needs while they still can. He is not a US citizen, therefore cannot get him the kind of help he needs in the US. They have to do it under the Canadian system.

My dad died from Alzheimers. There is no possible way that he could have lived alone, at all. You have no grasp of the realities of Alzheimers. Next time, consider reading up on an issue before you decide to insult people.
 
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LdiJ

Senior Member
If you bother to re-read the post, dad has early stages. Early stages as in mild cognitive impairment. As in the first stage of impairment from just getting old. Obviously, the doctors who diagnosed it did not declare him to be mentally incompetent at the time. Otherwise OP would already have such a declaration in hand.:rolleyes:

You should really just quit before you dig yourself deeper and deeper into the hole.
 

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