Can physical force be used?

[Moonpie0418]

is that originally he was only granted 4-8 hrs MONTHLY for visitation, and had to be supervised B/C of a MEDICAL condition, that the judge KNEW of...so apparently either the father has attempted to get some type of information stating he knew how to handle the situation if the child WERE to have a seizure, o rmaybe the case was sent to a DIFFERENT judge, who has not read the ENTIRE case file?...but at the same time, if it was the SAME judge that handled the cc hearing in the BEGINNING, then he also knew the father WOULD REFUSE medication...and if mom had PROOF of the medical condition, and dad REFUSES MEDS, would that not make him IRRESPONSIBLE and unable to care for the child ADEQUATELY? part of being RESPONSIBLE is ensuring your child has the MEDICAL ATTENTION HE/SHE NEEDS...wether you(as an NCP, in dad's case)believe it is right or wrong on how to treat...ALSO, is administering PRESCRIPTION, DAILY REQUIRED MEDICATIONS, not a NEED for the WELLBEING and PHYSICAL HEALTH of the child in question? if the father refuses the child the meds she needs to avoid an EPILEPTIC SEIZURE, then the supervision needs to CONTINUE, not be DIMINISHED...the OP's issue is not wether the child does/does not go to her dad's wedding, but that she will NOT BE ADEQUATELY MONITORED OR TAKEN CARE OF DURING AN EPILEPTIC SEIZURE...and, if ANYONE forces a child, ie dragging, pulling, etc...out of ANYTHING, i'd imagine SOMEONE should call the LAW, and let it be taken BACK TO COURT, to show the father DOES NOT care about the child's wellbeing, if he's willing to DRAG her off somewhere...
other posters-take into context this child is not used to being LEFT ALONE with this man...it's quite possible this is a FEAR of the CHILD'S own?

Thank you!!!!!!!! You're right. Very odd crap! Visitation has been 2 hours only 2 times a month since 1999. He has a level 1 founded case of child molestation with my oldest daughter in social services now. Doesn't follow anything the judge or court requires. It's just like the judges don't care or want to believe anything that we say. I have always thought that when you went to court, you could only discuss what the request way. Yesterday, my ex put me through the ringer: how many animals do we have, school days missed, who lives here with us....etc.....everytime my atty objected, she was overrulled by judge. Blew me away! All I want is what's best for mom. Heck, I hope they have 5 kids, fancy cars and house, whatever they want. I certainly do not want or need him. His new wife can live with the hell I did for 8 years. We even had a protective order in place for a long time. He had threatened to kill us. Judge doesn't care. But I am very glad to see that someone may see a little bit of what I do as you do in your post. Thank you.

And yes, my daughter is very afraid to be alone with him this long. With no idea of where she'll be, and not able to contact me if need be.

 

[Rushia]

Thank you!!!!!!!! You're right. Very odd crap! Visitation has been 2 hours only 2 times a month since 1999. He has a level 1 founded case of child molestation with my oldest daughter in social services now. Doesn't follow anything the judge or court requires. It's just like the judges don't care or want to believe anything that we say. I have always thought that when you went to court, you could only discuss what the request way. Yesterday, my ex put me through the ringer: how many animals do we have, school days missed, who lives here with us....etc.....everytime my atty objected, she was overrulled by judge. Blew me away! All I want is what's best for mom. Heck, I hope they have 5 kids, fancy cars and house, whatever they want. I certainly do not want or need him. His new wife can live with the hell I did for 8 years. We even had a protective order in place for a long time. He had threatened to kill us. Judge doesn't care. But I am very glad to see that someone may see a little bit of what I do as you do in your post. Thank you.

And yes, my daughter is very afraid to be alone with him this long. With no idea of where she'll be, and not able to contact me if need be.

And yet, the judge still awarded visitation? Hmmmm. Answer tiggers questions.

 

[tigger22472]

Why isn't the child on CONSTANT medication? I've never heard of simply medicating at the time of seizure, only have heard of (and have personal family knowledge of) consistent daily meds to prevent seizure occurrence.

I agree and this is generally a one dose a day thing so seemingly could be given before or after the visitation time.

To the OP:
As far as the strep goes, educate yourself on virus' and common childhood diseases. The medication had ended. She was seemingly fine and as long as she's properly protected against the eliments of the weather than there is not, nor should not have been an issue.

As far you needing to provide the father with the proper proceedures to handle a seizure.. HELLO... BIG RED TRUCK!! You shouldn't have to be court ordered to do this. This should have been done and known to the father the first day he ever exercised visitation if not sooner. Let me guess... he should go educate himself, you did Right? It doesn't always work that way and this is just ONE of the many many things that custodial parents do.

In the end OP YOU are the one who made this worse on yourself. Obviously the judge does not believe that dad is a danger or neglectful to the child despite anything that you claim he said or you provided to the judge. Originally the judge ordered a supervisor, more than likely to ease YOUR mind... in turn you decided you didn't like that and the judge decided that dad could handle it.

 

[tigger22472]

All I want is what's best for mom.

That's what we've tried to tell you that we've seen... Geez!!

 

[Silverplum]

Thank you!!!!!!!! You're right. Very odd crap! Visitation has been 2 hours only 2 times a month since 1999. He has a level 1 founded case of child molestation with my oldest daughter in social services now. Doesn't follow anything the judge or court requires. It's just like the judges don't care or want to believe anything that we say. I have always thought that when you went to court, you could only discuss what the request way. Yesterday, my ex put me through the ringer: how many animals do we have, school days missed, who lives here with us....etc.....everytime my atty objected, she was overrulled by judge. Blew me away! All I want is what's best for mom. Heck, I hope they have 5 kids, fancy cars and house, whatever they want. I certainly do not want or need him. His new wife can live with the hell I did for 8 years. We even had a protective order in place for a long time. He had threatened to kill us. Judge doesn't care. But I am very glad to see that someone may see a little bit of what I do as you do in your post. Thank you.

And yes, my daughter is very afraid to be alone with him this long. With no idea of where she'll be, and not able to contact me if need be.

Hello, Freudian slip!

 

[Rushia]

Hello, Freudian slip!

LOL, I noticed that but wasn't going to say anything.

 

[Silverplum]

That's what we've tried to tell you that we've seen... Geez!!

Jinx! (Is it still a jinx if you "beat" me by one minute?? )

 

[tigger22472]

Thank you!!!!!!!! You're right. Very odd crap! Visitation has been 2 hours only 2 times a month since 1999. He has a level 1 founded case of child molestation with my oldest daughter in social services now. Doesn't follow anything the judge or court requires. It's just like the judges don't care or want to believe anything that we say. I have always thought that when you went to court, you could only discuss what the request way. Yesterday, my ex put me through the ringer: how many animals do we have, school days missed, who lives here with us....etc.....everytime my atty objected, she was overrulled by judge. Blew me away! All I want is what's best for mom. Heck, I hope they have 5 kids, fancy cars and house, whatever they want. I certainly do not want or need him. His new wife can live with the hell I did for 8 years. We even had a protective order in place for a long time. He had threatened to kill us. Judge doesn't care. But I am very glad to see that someone may see a little bit of what I do as you do in your post. Thank you.

And yes, my daughter is very afraid to be alone with him this long. With no idea of where she'll be, and not able to contact me if need be.

And with this whole response you shot any credibility that you had to hell. Do you know how many times A DAY we see people come here and rant and rave about this or that about the other parent and when they get answers they do not like they Then bring up abuse, molestation, threats ... etc? Those things were seemingly unimportant until now.

 

[tigger22472]

Jinx! (Is it still a jinx if you "beat" me by one minute?? )

YEP.. I could use a drink after this thread!!

 

[tigger22472]

And BTW.. how many animals you have... and yes, how many days of school she's missed CAN be important.

If you are claiming that Dad seemingly cannot be with the child for 9 hours while there are obviously going to be others around BASED on a health issue, if she's not missed a lot of school it is important. It is important as far as animals because again if your claiming health issues (already mentioned at least 2) this could be an issue.

The more reluctant you are to answer these simply questions in court the worse it makes YOU appear.

I do question when the allegation against your other child was made.

I know a story of someone who made claims of molestation of her oldest child, against the father of her youngest. The man was charged... and many of the woman's friends believed her and were even in the thinking stages of possibly breaking the law to protect her children if the man were to be released. The man was given supervised visitation while he awaited trial. Trial came and went and he was acquitted of all charges based on the fact that all counselors involved believed the child was coerced into stated the abuse occurred. Many of us were outraged... How could this happen? Well, mom must not have been too surprised because a short time later she gave her two older children to her mother and she and her younger child moved in with dad ... happily ever after.

Stories like that happen every single day!

 

[Moonpie0418]

I stopped short of expressing this but it did also cross my mind.

It seems 'odd' that if the father said the things that he did and mom had PROOF of all of this to show the judge (assuming that she would since this seems to be the main argument) that he would have dismissed the order for a supervisor.

OP... What has been the seizure activity of your child? Does she have them on a regular basis? Did you take the proof of this to court with you, especially during the appeals process?

Last seizure was 2 days ago. Stress is a major trigger for her. She takes her meds 2x a day with me, and but also a med that is injected in her bottom if she seizes longer than 5 minutes.

 

[Rushia]

Last seizure was 2 days ago. Stress is a major trigger for her. She takes her meds 2x a day with me, and but also a med that is injected in her bottom if she seizes longer than 5 minutes.

And? How often does she seize? Encourage her that it'll be fun to see her family, her dad, her new stepmom. It is YOUR job as the CP to encourage a relationship. Make it sound like a whole lot of fun and she'll likely want to go. See....less stress. Make it less about how you feel and about the child. She picks up on how you feel about the situation.

In the words of Ohiogal (and my own personal belief) "Love your child more than you hate your ex."

 

[Shay-Pari'e]

Tisk Tisk, you people are just so rude. Nah Nah,...I'm telling Buccs.

 

[Rushia]

Tisk Tisk, you people are just so rude. Nah Nah,...I'm telling Buccs.

No, PLEASE don't.

 

[Ohiogal]

And? How often does she seize? Encourage her that it'll be fun to see her family, her dad, her new stepmom. It is YOUR job as the CP to encourage a relationship. Make it sound like a whole lot of fun and she'll likely want to go. See....less stress. Make it less about how you feel and about the child. She picks up on how you feel about the situation.

In the words of Ohiogal (and my own personal belief) "Love your child more than you hate your ex."

I've been quoted and I believe it too! I tell EVERY ONE OF MY CLIENTS THAT!