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Can't See My Girls Alone?

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I would let her put the kids in daycare, and on the first day while mom was at work I would pick the kids up and not return them. You have just as much right to the kids as mom does. Then you can tell mom when she can see them. I bet if you have the kids mom will be willing to come to the table and get some agreed visitation time for you and her even before mediation. A simple written agreement between the two attorneys.

I had something similar happen and it worked out well for me, but speak with your attorney first.
 


fldadneedshelp

Junior Member
I thought about that when I read through a previous post in this thread, however it does state, and is acknowledged in the divorce filing and the answer that both girls are currently residing with my wife. I definitely think there would be some question as to why that would suddenly change. I don't want to jeopardize anything but I certainly want it known that I want my girls!
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I thought about that when I read through a previous post in this thread, however it does state, and is acknowledged in the divorce filing and the answer that both girls are currently residing with my wife. I definitely think there would be some question as to why that would suddenly change. I don't want to jeopardize anything but I certainly want it known that I want my girls!
Please don't follow that advice....unless your ATTORNEY suggests that you do that. Right now you have a good chance at coming across as the "good guy" in this whole mess. If you do that, the judge is going to be unimpressed with either one of you.
 

Gracie3787

Senior Member
I just got off the phone with my attorney and he told me that in Hillsborough County where the case is filed, we have to go to mediation before any temporary motion for visitation or custody can be filed.
I do not understand why your attorney won't file for a temporary visitation order. The laws are very specific about it, in addition to the ones I referred to last night, there is also the Florida Family Law Rules of Procedure governing mediation, specifically 12.741 (b) (1)


RULE 12.741 MEDIATION RULES

(a) Discovery. Unless stipulated by the parties or ordered by the court, the mediation process shall not suspend discovery.

(b) General Procedures.

(1) Interim or Emergency Relief. A party may apply to the court for interim or emergency relief at any time. Mediation shall continue while such a motion is pending absent a contrary order of the court, or a decision of the mediator to adjourn pending disposition of the motion. Time for completing mediation shall be tolled during any periods when mediation is interrupted pending resolution of such a motion.

(2) Sanctions for Failure to Appear. If a party fails to appear at a duly noticed mediation conference without good cause, the court upon motion shall impose sanctions, including an award of mediator and attorneys' fees and other costs, against the party failing to appear.

(3) Adjournments. The mediator may adjourn the mediation conference at any time and may set times for reconvening the adjourned conference. No further notification is required for parties present at the adjourned conference.

(4) Counsel. Counsel shall be permitted to communicate privately with their clients. The mediator shall at all times be in control of the mediation and the procedures to be followed in the mediation.

(5) Communication with Parties. The mediator may meet and consult privately with any party or parties or their counsel.

(6) Appointment of the Mediator.

(A) Within 10 days of the order of referral, the parties may agree upon a stipulation with the court designating:

(i) a certified mediator; or

(ii) a mediator who does not meet the certification requirements of these rules but who, in the opinion of the parties and upon review by the presiding judge, is otherwise qualified by training or experience to mediate all or some of the issues in the particular case.

(B) If the parties cannot agree upon a mediator within 10 days of the order of referral, the plaintiff or petitioner shall so notify the court within 10 days of the expiration of the period to agree on a mediator, and the court shall appoint a certified mediator selected by rotation or by such other procedures as may be adopted by administrative order of the chief judge in the circuit in which the action is pending.

(C) If a mediator agreed upon by the parties or appointed by a court cannot serve, a substitute mediator can be agreed upon or appointed in the same manner as the original mediator. A mediator shall not mediate a case assigned to another mediator without the agreement of the parties or approval of the court. A substitute mediator shall have the same qualifications as the original mediator.

These are state laws, which always trump local rules.

EDIT: Your attorney may have a reason for not wanting to file, if so, he really should be willing to fully explain the reason to you. Personally, this whole thing concerns me because of another case, in that case the father had been given temporary custody over a year ago. The CS order for him to pay was suspended but the court did not order the mother to pay any CS. The father hired an attorney who outright refused to file for a temporay CS order, telling his client that it would mess up the custody proceedings. After 6 months of the mother not giving any money willingly, the father told his attorney that he wanted to file for the CS pro-se, the attorney told him that if he did, he would drop him as a client. So, the father didn't file. The case went to court last week, the Judge was very unhappy and raked the father over the coals for NOT filing for CS. The father explained that he'd wanted to but his attorney refused. The end result was that the Judge threatened to sanction the attorney and ordered CS along with making the custody permanent.
So, sometimes not filing for your rights can come back to haunt you. Either way, your attorney should be willing to fully explain why it's in your best interests to not file.
 
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fldadneedshelp

Junior Member
I have no idea. All that he said is that we cannot file for any relief until mediation and that he was going to call opposing counsel in the morning to have him speak to my wife about the visitation scenario.

If I am being jerked around here by my attorney I would obviously need to know.
 

Gracie3787

Senior Member
I have no idea. All that he said is that we cannot file for any relief until mediation and that he was going to call opposing counsel in the morning to have him speak to my wife about the visitation scenario.

If I am being jerked around here by my attorney I would obviously need to know.
I don't know if he's jerking you around or not. But, one thing is certain, as a client you have every right to ask your attorney to explain things to you.
 

fldadneedshelp

Junior Member
Well guys it has been almost 2 months now since I last posted and during that time not much has changed except for the fact my wife has become more estranged and more intent on keeping my girls from me. While she has been better at keeping some visitation dates, that was only due to tha fact that my attorney filed a Motion For Contempt on my behalf last month. This was due to her not allowing me to see my girls. Unfortunately that court date wasn't until a month and later (this upcoming Monday).

We just had our mediation this past Thursday and since we do not have to many assets nor debt, I thought that this would be the day we would get everthing resolved. Boy was I wrong. Since my girls are currently in daycare and my wife is paying $200 a week for them to be there, I proposed to let me take care of the girls during the day during the week while she is at work (I work from home) and that we alternate weekends with the girls. She countered with I should only be able to see my girls once a week. I said no way. Additonally, she alleged that I had some mysterious lawsuit from which I received funds that she was not privy to. This blew my mind that I was forced to defend against a fictional allegation during this mediation. My attorney and I even went up to the records dept of the courthouse during the mediation and proved there was no record of this. On top, of all this, the mediator separated us a spent the majority of time with my wife and her counsel. The mediator even took a personal phone call during the mediation which spanned 20 minutes of us sitting there.

So what my attorney proposed was that we get an interim visitation set and agreed upon in lieu of the Contempt Motion which is to be heard this Monday before the judge. Ultimately, what I settled upon, as it was only going to be temporary, was that I would pick my girls up on Wednesday in the morning and return them to my wife's home after work. Then I would also get a 24 hour overnight on either Friday or Saturday as well. She refused this as well, so now we are at an impasse. I even had my attorney call her's again yesterday to extend the offer again so that we do not have go through the Contempt Motion. But I haven't heard anything back from my attorney yet. I did this because while I am extremely upset at the fact that she has kept my girls from me, I believe that she should be a integral part of their lives, and do not want to remove them from her; this very well may happen at the Contempt Motion hearing, but I will opt for the set visitation instead of course.

My attorney was certainly hoping it wouldn't go this far, as was I, but now here we are going into Monday with the Contempt Motion on the table.
 

CJane

Senior Member
I believe that she should be a integral part of their lives, and do not want to remove them from her; this very well may happen at the Contempt Motion hearing, but I will opt for the set visitation instead of course.
I don't think it's likely that the children will be removed from Mom due to a contempt motion when the divorce/custody isn't finalized.

And why would you opt for set visitation at less than the standard in lieu of letting the judge decide? That seems moronic.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I don't think it's likely that the children will be removed from Mom due to a contempt motion when the divorce/custody isn't finalized.

And why would you opt for set visitation at less than the standard in lieu of letting the judge decide? That seems moronic.
Because its temporary until custody/visitation is decided and he wants at least SOMETHING now.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Because its temporary until custody/visitation is decided and he wants at least SOMETHING now.
Then he should go for standard visitation at the VERY least unless mom can prove some reason why he should NOT have standard.
 

fldadneedshelp

Junior Member
Yes, basically right now I am only getting to see my girls for about 5 hours per week on two different days. That is certainly not enough, I hope in anyone's eyes.

This isn't not a situation where either party has done anything "horrible" in the relationship. So there are no issues there if that is what anyone is thinking. It's moreso a culmination of small events and family involvement which has driven us apart. Like I will tell anyone, I still love my wife, always will, and wish it didn't have to be this way...but I have accepted this is the way it has to be.

I just do not want this to be a traumatic event for my girls where they are just uprooted from their current home and mother and I get full custody. My attorney has told me that the Florida courts do not look kindly on a parent who does not encourage or allow visitation until the mediation or hearing. So what we proposed is hopefully what we will get, until the next hearing when we can get everything finalized. What I would most like to do is go to another mediation and try to resolve this amongst ourselves rather than going tit for tat over everything.

I want to work this out reasonably for everyone's sake. Right now I find myself having to leverage defense for myself and counter with things I would have otherwise let go or not even requested due to her actions.
 
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