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CLBKLCDTB

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I never asked anyone on here what my LEGAL rights were to the kids. NEVER. Everyone just decided to slam me because they have a cob lodged up their rears about some "overbearring" step-parent. First of all, in my case, since my husband LEGALLY has custody and his is married to the wretched ol' step-mom then then that's the bio egg donors fault. Had she not abandoned her kids, the door wouldn't have been left open for me to walk into.

Yup your husband has custody...YOUR HUSBAND! If you died tomorrow.....the children would still have a mother and a father. If your husband died tomorrow, the children would have thier mother. You would have no rights to them at all. Your feelings and opinions would not count if mom wanted to excercise her rights and take custody of her children.

YOU married dad and chose to place yourself in this situation., however the only WE that applies legaly is MOM and DAD. Untill such time a judge terminates moms rights.
 


>Charlotte<

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You're welcome.

And whether you like it or not, most of the posts prior to mine were absolutely right. You are seriously over-stepping the boundaries. No judge is going to pat you on the head and give you a cookie for being such a great "mother". You are not their mother, and this is not your fight. If the mother ever wises up and understands what kind of ammunition you are handing her, she'll be in a position to give the father one hell of a fight.

And that's the irony of the whole thing: you can puff yourself up with all the self-righteous indignation you want, but ultimately, it is your self-imposed promotion to "mom" that can seriously jeopardize your husband's legal position as a father.

And let's be honest here. Your worst nightmare is the mother turning over a new leaf and becoming a responsible, loving, involved parent. Your love of martyrdom shines through every word you post.
 
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CLBKLCDTB

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Originally Posted by Becki C.
Since most posters are stuck on LEGALLY, would you just tell me what you know about the LEGAL ramifications, if any, that could happen if WE were to post posters of his deadbeat bio egg donor? If you are not sure LEGALLY, then please don't answer with character attacks. I would think since non-custodial deadbeats can't sue for having their pictures on pizza boxes, etc. then they would be facing the same deadend street when it comes to doing anything about the "Wanted" posters.


Oh yes. I believe the term would be defamation of character. Mom would have every right to sue your husband...and you for that matter, if you take part in his hair-brained idea.
 
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LdiJ

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Once again......thank you to all of those who gave me LEGAL answers to my ORIGINAL question in my ORIGINAL post.
I am still sitting here shaking my head about the fact that your husband allows his son to call his mother "the skank". You and your husband lost all credibility with me on that one.
 
To the poster who inquired, the bio sperm donor of my eldest daughter was dealt with. I terminated his parental rights years ago and my husband adopted her. Look it up in past posts. And as is the law in Tennessee, his "current" cs was stopped, but he was LEGALLY obligated for the arrears, which I got. Now, for the poster who said that it was more important to me to have the cs than the kids, once again.....WE can and will turn her loose from anything current, but Tennessee law states she has to pay the arrears even if her parental right are terminated. Again, she can't be turned loose from the arrears LEGALLY. Also, when I mentioned how much it would cost to force the bio egg donor (b/c that's what a person is that abandons their children) into terminating her parental rights, the comment was made that if WE really wanted to terminate her rights, we could pay for it if we really wanted it. Perhaps that particular poster can wish money into his/her bank account but WE can't. No matter how bad WE want it, money doesn't appear out of thin air for it.
*yawn* Stop with the Fing inflamatory name calling would ya. It's called Ad Hominem and it's about the least effective form of arguement one can present. AND... you will not NOT gain anyone here's respect by doing so.

I never asked anyone on here what my LEGAL rights were to the kids. NEVER
. Maybe you should have because you are obviously confused as to what they are.

Everyone just decided to slam me because they have a cob lodged up their rears about some "overbearring" step-parent.
Yeah... again... not gonna gain anyones approval here by name calling. Frankly your whole family sounds quite "white trash" with all the name calling you people do.
First of all, in my case, since my husband LEGALLY has custody and his is married to the wretched ol' step-mom then then that's the bio egg donors fault. Had she not abandoned her kids, the door wouldn't have been left open for me to walk into.
The door was never open for you to take her place... MY GAWD... you're such a despicable person. BTW... your husband was married to her first. People don't usually change that much in relationships... we tend to continually be with the same "type" of person. Until we figure out WHY we would be with such a person and change that in our lives. Frankly it sounds like the 2 of you think you're perfect so there would be no need for self examination... Think about what that says about you. ;)

I did ask for legal advice for one sinple question in my original post. But all the personal opinions got in the way of giving me a plain LEGAL answer.
Kinda like your personal opinion huh??
Everyone keeps saying "from a LEGAl standpoint..." while very few of you wanted to point out anything LEGAL except that I have no LEGAL rights. I asked for a LEGAL answer to whether or not there would be LEGAL ramifications to an act my hhusband cosidered. That's all. A few people gave me short, simple answers to the best of their knowledge to that and I appreciate it.
Since you got your answers why do you keep coming back to spew your lunacies?

Since most posters are stuck on LEGALLY, would you just tell me what you know about the LEGAL ramifications, if any, that could happen if WE were to post posters of his deadbeat bio egg donor?
BTW... deadbeat and bio egg donor aren't even close to the same thing. And didn't you just say your questions were already answered and you appreciate that?

If you are not sure LEGALLY, then please don't answer with character attacks.
So you're the only person who gets to attack peoples characters on this board?? :rolleyes:

I would think since non-custodial deadbeats can't sue for having their pictures on pizza boxes, etc. then they would be facing the same deadend street when it comes to doing anything about the "Wanted" posters.
Here's the thing.... did you ever think that MAYBE those pictures are put of to LOCATE a NCP who is in violation of an order? NOT to humiliate them? Like one of the other seniors said if you think that the pizza box thing is such a great idea... give them a call... AND AND AND... I've never in my life seen a "dead beat" parents picture on a pizza box.

Thanks for any knowledge on the subject from a LEGAL standpoint.
Just because you didn't like it when we told you that you have NO LEGAL STANDING in your husbands child support case does not mean it wasn't legal advice. AND, as you have rambled on for posts and posts and posts about things that are not spedifically legal questions don't be surprised when someone responds to them. ;)
 

Becki C.

Member
NSA4Answers:

Then I guess it's a good thing I didn't come to this forum for your "respect", huh? You're respect is not what I asked for on this forum.

My LEGAL rights or lack thereof to my step-kids that no one can stop talking about have NOTHING TO DO with my ORIGINAL POST or my ORIGINAL question.

Looks like you have sunk to my "place" (i.e. name calling my family "white trash"). How soon we abandon the high road. My personal opinions came out after everyone else's did. All I did was ask a question and no one could stick to the question at hand. It all had to be their personal thoughts. All I asked for was the LEGAL SIDE of my husband's idea.

Why do YOU keep coming back? I have as much right to be on this forum and on a thread I originally posted 'til my hearts content. If it bothers you, go to your own thread and leave mine alone. If you stop adding things to my post, I'll have nothing to comment on.
 
NSA4Answers:

Then I guess it's a good thing I didn't come to this forum for your "respect", huh? You're respect is not what I asked for on this forum.
Well when you want someones guidance, it might not hurt you if they respected you a little bit. And by the by.. I'm not the only one on this board who has no respect for you. Read this thread, you'll find plenty of us who don't have an ounce of any for you.

My LEGAL rights or lack thereof to my step-kids that no one can stop talking about have NOTHING TO DO with my ORIGINAL POST or my ORIGINAL question.
You think so huh?

Looks like you have sunk to my "place" (i.e. name calling my family "white trash").
Nope just an observation. I think the names you've called people are trashy, and allowing a child to call anyone, let alone his own mother a skank is trashy.

How soon we abandon the high road. My personal opinions came out after everyone else's did. All I did was ask a question and no one could stick to the question at hand. It all had to be their personal thoughts. All I asked for was the LEGAL SIDE of my husband's idea.
And you got a response to that.

Why do YOU keep coming back? I have as much right to be on this forum and on a thread I originally posted 'til my hearts content. If it bothers you, go to your own thread and leave mine alone. If you stop adding things to my post, I'll have nothing to comment on.
You don't have to comment on anything I say. It's called free will. ;) Frankly I'm enjoying reading your diatribe. It's been amussing and making me feel better about my ex's gf... at least she's not you! :D
 

Becki C.

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At least I'm sticking to my own thread. Looks like Concernedmom13 didn't like you either. Again, my post. And I know my rights to my step-kids (or lack therof) have NOTHING TO DO with my original post. What does asking abut my husband's idea have to do with my lack of rights? Tell me. Now I see the reality of it anyway.....you're bent about you're ex's new girlfriend (b/c you said "now I'm feeling better about her", which shows your comtempt for her) and apparently can't take her on so you come to this forum looking to take out your anger and frustration on the "new wives" in the picture b/c you're an old discarded one.
 
At least I'm sticking to my own thread. Looks like Concernedmom13 didn't like you either.
I really don't care... :)

Again, my post. And I know my rights to my step-kids (or lack therof) have NOTHING TO DO with my original post.
Actually they do. If you were to post pictures of your husbands ex all over town defaming and humiliating her you can be held legally repsonsible for that and possibly for interference.

What does asking abut my husband's idea have to do with my lack of rights? Tell me.
Now it's your husbands idea, and you had nothing to do with it. before it was we we we we ... now you're putting it all on him. At least it's somewhat of a move in the right direction.

Now I see the reality of it anyway.....you're bent about you're ex's new girlfriend (b/c you said "now I'm feeling better about her", which shows your comtempt for her) and apparently can't take her on so you come to this forum looking to take out your anger and frustration on the "new wives" in the picture b/c you're an old discarded one.
LMAO... if that were true, that would have been a good cut. But frankly... she just another girlfriend in a long list of them over the last 6 years. In fact I'm good friends with his last one. Talk to her almost daily, have had her to my house for parties etc... His current gf is a controling crazy nut case who's not only had the cops on her but whom I've had to request a restraining order against because she's a threatening stalking harassing nut case.

However, my situation has nothing to do with the fact that YOU are out of line in your husbands situation.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
I am still sitting here shaking my head about the fact that your husband allows his son to call his mother "the skank". You and your husband lost all credibility with me on that one.
You and me both, LDi. If either of mine ever allowed something like that to escape their lips about their Dad or stepmom within my hearing or knowledge, there would be he.l.l to pay from me. They don't have to like either of them - I can't force that. But I'll be damned if they won't show respect.
 

maryjo

Member
Outstanding suggestion, maryjo! Mind if I suggest this helpful exercise to my husband and stepdaughter?

Absolutely! Its something my mother told me she had to do with her first daughter from her first marriage. That girl is messed up. Drug and alcohol addicted and she has been nothing but trouble since she was 16. My mom did EVERYTHING...and I mean EVERYTHING....she could for her but there came a time when she had to accept that this is just who she is and nothing she could do would change her. She told me then when I was 8 years old and just found out that my older sister (same daughter I was talking about) was pregnant with her second child and I knew, even at that age, that she couldnt take care of the one she had (my parents raised her for the first year or two of her life) and had no business having another one.

Even if they dont do it physically, just thinking it and doing it emotionally and mentally is helping in visualizing "letting go".
 

maryjo

Member
At least I'm sticking to my own thread. Looks like Concernedmom13 didn't like you either. Again, my post. And I know my rights to my step-kids (or lack therof) have NOTHING TO DO with my original post. What does asking abut my husband's idea have to do with my lack of rights? Tell me. Now I see the reality of it anyway.....you're bent about you're ex's new girlfriend (b/c you said "now I'm feeling better about her", which shows your comtempt for her) and apparently can't take her on so you come to this forum looking to take out your anger and frustration on the "new wives" in the picture b/c you're an old discarded one.
"I see your true colors shining through...."

Does anyone else see the root of all evil in this situation? LOL! :rolleyes:

Let me just tell you one thing. Your husband considers any new men in his ex's life "victims". What does that say about him? What does that say about you? You might want to examine that.

To everything else you have to say...blah blah blah blah blah blah freaking blah! You got your answer. Why do you keep posting? You just want to fight about this because you believe that eventually we will change our minds about you. Guess what. Thats not going to happen.

You are so bitter and angry that you cant see straight. And worse yet, you enjoy every second of it. Some people seem to thrive on that and they just arent happy unless they are miserable and making everyone around them miserable.

I feel so bad for those kids. They cant find a decent parent to save their lives! And whats even worse for them is that they will grow up and go on to repeat the same mistakes their parents made because no one would teach them differently. Everyone is so wrapped up in their own pettiness! Get the heck over it!!

What you see here, and what you MISTAKE for "old discarded" wives (even though we know all to well that there is more than just ex wives that post here) are people who have been through this already. And most of us have come to realize that peace for everyone is sometimes more important than a few dollars. We work hard to make it withOUT childsupport (side note:I just got a promotion at work so I am now no longer dependent on child support. Not sure yet if I can move into my own place yet but hopefully by the end of the year I will be able to. It took me a year and a half but I finally got there! :D ) because we know that its impossible to get blood from a turnip. We know that our children's well being and our own mental health is a lot more precious than a few dollars. It seems thats not a lesson you have learned yet. When you get tired of pulling your hair out...you will see it for yourself.

This thread has really gotten silly but it seems that you pull everything in your life to that level. I am glad those children are getting old enough to get out on their own and away from all their parents. A mother who obviously CANT take care of them because she cant overcome her own demons, a father who obviously isnt involved in their lives, and a step mother who is OVERLY involved to the point of spreading her own hatred to everyone she meets.

God save those kids.....:(
 

penelope10

Senior Member
I am so amazed that no one answered one important question in my post. If it is o.k. to put the faces of deadbeat parents on pizza boxes and post their faces online and their names in newspapers, then why are we terrible people? What is the big difference in my husband's idea and those ideas?

Again, whether I am the "legal" step-parent or not, if I invest my time, my love and my concern into your upbringing, I'm not going to stand by like a knot on a log and not have my opinion heard. I'm not a "silent partner" in this deal. If I treated my bio children different from my step-kids, everyone would be attacking me telling me how awful I am for not being involved; however, because I am willing to fight just like I would for my own bio kids, now I'm forgetting my "place". Do I love them equally or not? Do I treat them equally or not? If I "treat" you like my bio kids, then you ARE my bio kids. In my belief, I don't have to give birth to you to be your mother. You're "mother" sits with you when you're sick, takes you to parties, makes sure you have your vitamins everyday, helps you with your homework, takes you to the doctor, is there for the fun stuff like going to the zoo and the not so fun stuff like dental visits, etc. You cannot say to me "Well, you better treat the step-kids the same as your bio kids and be ready to live and die for them the same and all that, but by the way, remember you're a nobody who sleeps with the bio dad. The person who abandoned them is still more important." I don't believe that and never will.

The bio mom isn't going to get away with not paying just because she's being difficult about it. That's not the way it works as far as I'm concerned. We, that's right, "WE" will chase her until she dies or we do. Just because she decided she didn't want the bother of raising her children after she had them and walked off doesn't mean her obligation to them is over. You had 'em, you're going to help out financially. Period. I'm amazed at how lax some of your attitudes are toward the mother. The "oh well, just let it go" type of mentality. That's why people get away with so much today. No one wants to put in the time or effort to put these people's feet to the fire and see that they pay for what they've done. I can't believe everyone is saying that a piece of garbage that abandons her children is "still their mother". Not in my book. Remember this: Any animal can give birth. That doesn't make it a mother. If I am in the "mother" position, I am going to speak for, defend and raise these kids as if I am the mother.

For the poster who asked, we have approached the biological egg donor about adoption of the kids she obviously doesn't want, and she said she'd fight us on that unless we "write off" all the child support she owes. Well, in the state of Tennessee you can't just go into court and say, "We want to let the non-custodial parent off the hook for all the cs she owes". She legally has to pay whatever added up prior to the adoption. Therefore, a lawyer said to force her into an adoption will be very costly. Over $3,000.00. That is alot of money for us.

Additionally, the reason my husband said he wanted to warn her new victim is because the half-sibling to my step-kids that she just lost custody of is an issue. If she has another child and ends up abusing it to the point it is taken from her, that's more emotional baggage for my stepkids. And everytime their mother has another child, they say, "Why does she keep having kids? She didn't want to keep us, why does she want another one?" What should I say to that?

And I have told my step-son that his comment is inappropriate; however, when I told the therapist about it, she said he needs to vent his years of anger and frustration. She said if all he does to "act out" is call the bio egg donor a "skank", we're lucky. She said alot of kids turn to drugs and alcohol, have problems with the law, etc. She said to allow him to get those feelings out, even if it's hard to hear because in the long run it's healthy for him.

And again, I don't have to speak ill of her in front of them. I believe I mentioned earlier that she took my step-daughter on a field trip to the strip club she worked at, my step-daughter came home complaining of the beer cans sitting all over her "mom's" house and the random men she thrust in their lives, as well as my step-daughter choosing on her own to go to court and testify against her "mom" for the abuse she witnessed her then 4 year old half-sibling go through. A 14 yr. old and a 17 yr. old aren't as blind as a 3 and 4 year old would be to those obvious signs of abuse and bad living conditions.

Since we're taking the high ground here, I trust no one on this forum is taking their ex to court for cs. I mean, wouldn't that hurt your kids to know mom is dragging dad to court to squeeze money out of him? Wouldn't it be detrimental to the kids if they found out mommie was trying to have daddy thrown in jail over something as petty as money? Why not just enjoy your kids and leave the non-custodial parent alone, right? Let's just be grateful for all the time we have with the kids and screw the financial help?

Lastly, she has been charged with contempt three times and has yet to spend one day behind bars. We can't afford a lawyer at this point and in our juvenile court here, it takes 8 to 12 months to get a court date without an attorney. Did we file yet another contempt charge? Yes, we have. And in the meantime, we still have no cs coming in.

If anyone possibly could, please answer the various questions I have posted. Thank you in advance.
Absolutely DO NOT put up wanted posters for Mom for failure to pay child support. I don't care if she lives 100 miles away---it will get back to the kids and it will be emotionally damaging to them. And I don't care that Mom may have caused issues for the kids already.

If you and your husband do something this vindictive it's going to get tongues wagging all over town. These kids are going to get very negative feedback in one way or another.

O.K. so you and Dad view Mom as a deadbeat. (Whether you are justified or not). Do you really want to go public with your personal business and end up looking like a total a$$?

You have given the impression that the kids love you and hubby. Is it really worth doing something that puts YOU and HUBBY up to public ridicule and end up embarrassing the kids as well?

MY ex to this day owes over $100,000.00 in back child support. $17,000.00 is chicken feed in comparison. Would I have ever thought of doing something like this---NO. Because to do something so nasty would have backfired and diminished how the kids viewed ME.
 
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