graffitti x 2, ca

[dj2012]

You guys sound like the 'art police'...

You really don't consider your decision to randomly spray paint on someone else's property to be damaging it?

No, not really. Maybe i 'defaced it'. But i didn't 'damage' it. but mostly i'm surprised tht the '/2' means the 'damages' part.

sometimes i've done it with permission b4, like business walls or inside shops (and yeah, ok, it bugs me if i go past a wk later and someone tagged 1 of my outside ones). but i don't no guys, it's an urge...i dunno, to share or something. usually i pick random, out of the way places, where the ppl who like it wil see it. i don't go round small business owners. this alley just looked like an alley 2 me. it was this brick wall tht looks seperate but i guess must be connected 2 a bldg.

OP is a real jerk to consider what he does to be a form of art.

so define art? u havn't even seen what i do....

It's vandalism and it's ugly and it makes neighborhoods look like ghettos.

maybe u tlking bout tagging? i create images. i was doin this picasso inspired surfer.

you don't consider what you do as defacing or damaging? How's about I come into where you live, while you aren't there, and tag your walls with what I call art?

what do u call art?

anyway...

is this gonna be such a big deal? it was just this out of the way alley.

cdwjava - u said it 'can' be a felony on 2nd offense? what makes it into one? the cost of what i did would not cost more than $400 to clean up.

 

[Proserpina]

usually i pick random, out of the way places, where the ppl who like it wil see it.

The people who like it would be completely fine with you tagging their residences and places of business...right?

 

[dj2012]

The people who like it would be completely fine with you tagging their residences and places of business...right?

tht's how i ended up doing some businesses...

guys who were like 'tht's cool, come do my wall'.

 

[stealth2]

tht's how i ended up doing some businesses...

guys who were like 'tht's cool, come do my wall'.

And that' fine. Where it is NOT is when you randomly decide to paint someone's wall w/o their permission. That IS vandalism. Even if you're the next Picasso. Which I seriously doubt.

And if you want to be taken seriously? Try typing like an adult, w/o text speak.

 

[Alex1176]

My town recently passed an ordinance requiring property owners to remove "street art" within 48 hours, or face some hefty fees for every day past the deadline. Given how tough a lot of these punks can be to find, that puts a pretty huge burden on small business owners.

Personally I found it highly unfair. I don't think that small business owners suppose to pay because the police is not doing its job.

 

[CdwJava]

You guys sound like the 'art police'...

Not at all. We're not critiquing your "art" only your choice of canvas and media.

No, not really. Maybe i 'defaced it'. But i didn't 'damage' it. but mostly i'm surprised tht the '/2' means the 'damages' part.

No matter what YOU call it, you still did harm, to someone else's property and it will cost time and money to restore it.

sometimes i've done it with permission b4, like business walls or inside shops (and yeah, ok, it bugs me if i go past a wk later and someone tagged 1 of my outside ones). but i don't no guys, it's an urge...i dunno, to share or something. usually i pick random, out of the way places, where the ppl who like it wil see it. i don't go round small business owners. this alley just looked like an alley 2 me. it was this brick wall tht looks seperate but i guess must be connected 2 a bldg.

Kinda selfish, don't you think? To believe that your urges are more important than the rights of the property owner? Or, the rights of the rest of society that you force to have to look at your "art".

so define art? u havn't even seen what i do....

maybe u tlking bout tagging? i create images. i was doin this picasso inspired surfer.

It doesn't matter ... even Picasso was not be allowed to paint wherever he chose.

is this gonna be such a big deal? it was just this out of the way alley.

As a second offense, it could be a felony. Your attitude is NOT going to impress a court, and if there is a graffiti problem in your community, you just might be made an example of.

cdwjava - u said it 'can' be a felony on 2nd offense? what makes it into one? the cost of what i did would not cost more than $400 to clean up.

The 594.3 can be charged as a felony. I read the other felony section wrong as it would require TWO convictions for a subsequent felony. Chances are these will be charged only as misdemeanors, but you'd better knock this crud off before you turn 18 or your life is going to be pretty miserable as you will spend a lot of time in jail and prison for your "art."

Time to grow up and get responsible. This attitude that lets you think you have a right to place your "art" wherever you please is arrogant and selfish. You have no such right. If you want to display your art, do it legally.

 

[CdwJava]

Personally I found it highly unfair. I don't think that small business owners suppose to pay because the police is not doing its job.

Oh, and just HOW are the police supposed to prevent tagging 100% of the time. When their presence DOES prevent it, we rarely know about it because we will never know they were deterred. No city could afford the manpower it would take to prevent tagging.

So, it is not the fault of the police that tagging and graffiti occurs. You may not like this kind of ordinance, but dislike it because of the burden it places on a business owner, not because the police are not doing their job.

 

[dj2012]

And that' fine. Where it is NOT is when you randomly decide to paint someone's wall w/o their permission.

i try 2 b real selective about where. its not like i go paint the sides of ppl's houses and i don't do sides of ppl's bldgs hardly ever (it looked like a brick wall by itself). i don't even know who owns what i usually pick...the city i guess.

Even if you're the next Picasso. Which I seriously doubt.

haha. u'll have 2 wait & see.

No matter what YOU call it, you still did harm, to someone else's property and it will cost time and money to restore it.

i mean tht i'm surprised tht the cop put /2 instead of /1 ((1) Defaces with graffiti or other inscribed material.) - u know why he would? i mean, yeah, i guess i 'defaced' it.

Kinda selfish, don't you think? To believe that your urges are more important than the rights of the property owner? Or, the rights of the rest of society that you force to have to look at your "art".

u think they're happier lookin at giant commericals?

As a second offense, it could be a felony. Your attitude is NOT going to impress a court, and if there is a graffiti problem in your community, you just might be made an example of.

well i wasn't goin to tell the judge all my feelings...
so the 594.3 can be a felony (how? like if its a 'hate crime' or something?) But it says 'knowingly' - and i didn't knowingly do it.

where am i sitting at the moment - do u mean that PC 594 a/2 & 594.1 e are felonies on the 3rd time?
so at the moment i'm still on 0 b/c it was informal the first time?

ok, i know i can't do this forever. at the moment i'm wking with this small group. we're working at organizing filling community spaces with art works/murals (officially). it's still kickin off at the moment but if we get legit places to do it then i'll try 2 keep it there. i don't really want a criminal record.
do u think i should tell the judge about how we're doin tht?
i think u're bein a bit mean calling me arrogant and selfish, i just wanna make crappy city spaces look better. ppl who see it seem 2 like it. but yeah, i don't wanna keep having 2 keep looking out for cops.

and anutha reason i can't do it forever is this cop was like 'have u been to this location and this other location'. I said no but yeah, that mighta been me in those places too. i don't think its gd 2 be recognized like tht....

can u really spend a lot of tiem in jail for this stuff? i woulda thought fines and cleaning stuff up. i ain't out doin drugs and robbing ppl.

 

[Cali408nia]

No matter what you think, your activity is taking place on other people's property. City property is not your property. It's not really about if it's nice art or bad art, it's about who owns it. If I think taking a dump on somebody's car is really nice art does that mean I can just go to your car and squat on it?

You are probably not that bad of a kid, I've known people who airbrushed and liked to express their artistic side. What you need to realize is that if it's not yours or you don't have permission, it's a crime. If you don't change your attitude about it you are going to find yourself heading towards a bad place pretty quickly.

 

[Proserpina]

i try 2 b real selective about where. its not like i go paint the sides of ppl's houses and i don't do sides of ppl's bldgs hardly ever (it looked like a brick wall by itself). i don't even know who owns what i usually pick...the city i guess.



haha. u'll have 2 wait & see.



i mean tht i'm surprised tht the cop put /2 instead of /1 ((1) Defaces with graffiti or other inscribed material.) - u know why he would? i mean, yeah, i guess i 'defaced' it.




u think they're happier lookin at giant commericals?



well i wasn't goin to tell the judge all my feelings...
so the 594.3 can be a felony (how? like if its a 'hate crime' or something?) But it says 'knowingly' - and i didn't knowingly do it.

where am i sitting at the moment - do u mean that PC 594 a/2 & 594.1 e are felonies on the 3rd time?
so at the moment i'm still on 0 b/c it was informal the first time?

ok, i know i can't do this forever. at the moment i'm wking with this small group. we're working at organizing filling community spaces with art works/murals (officially). it's still kickin off at the moment but if we get legit places to do it then i'll try 2 keep it there. i don't really want a criminal record.
do u think i should tell the judge about how we're doin tht?
i think u're bein a bit mean calling me arrogant and selfish, i just wanna make crappy city spaces look better. ppl who see it seem 2 like it. but yeah, i don't wanna keep having 2 keep looking out for cops.

and anutha reason i can't do it forever is this cop was like 'have u been to this location and this other location'. I said no but yeah, that mighta been me in those places too. i don't think its gd 2 be recognized like tht....

can u really spend a lot of tiem in jail for this stuff? i woulda thought fines and cleaning stuff up. i ain't out doin drugs and robbing ppl.

Look at this post.

Folks - we're being played.

 

[CdwJava]

u think they're happier lookin at giant commericals?

At least they are legal. Your stuff ain't.

well i wasn't goin to tell the judge all my feelings...
so the 594.3 can be a felony (how? like if its a 'hate crime' or something?) But it says 'knowingly' - and i didn't knowingly do it.

But, you KNOWINGLY committed the act of vandalism. The "knowing" part involves the vandalism, not the church or religious facility part.

where am i sitting at the moment - do u mean that PC 594 a/2 & 594.1 e are felonies on the 3rd time?
so at the moment i'm still on 0 b/c it was informal the first time?

The only one that appears to be a potential felony would be the 594.3 ... though I would doubt it will be charged as such ... maybe next time.

it's still kickin off at the moment but if we get legit places to do it then i'll try 2 keep it there.

Try? What's so hard about it? You simply don't deface other people's property.

do u think i should tell the judge about how we're doin tht?

That's between you and your attorney.

i think u're bein a bit mean calling me arrogant and selfish, i just wanna make crappy city spaces look better.

Call it mean if you want, but it's not about making spaces look better, it's about YOU putting up what YOU want to see where YOU want to put it and to heck with everyone else.

and anutha reason i can't do it forever is this cop was like 'have u been to this location and this other location'. I said no but yeah, that mighta been me in those places too. i don't think its gd 2 be recognized like tht....

Yeah, 'cause then they add them together and if the total damage gets over $400 (not too hard to do) then it's a felony.

can u really spend a lot of tiem in jail for this stuff? i woulda thought fines and cleaning stuff up. i ain't out doin drugs and robbing ppl.

Doing drugs is a misdemeanor just like vandalism. Unfortunately for you, there is diversion for drugs so it can stay off the user's record.

Depending on the specific offense, you might do up to a year in jail and have to pay up to $1,000 ... though when you add the fines for all three up and add on the associated court assessments and fees, you may have to pay more than $6,000 (or thereabouts) if the court slams you.

 

[CdwJava]

Look at this post.

Folks - we're being played.

If I hadn't run into a number of individuals that talked and acted just like the OP, I might agree with you.

I was on a graffiti task force in San Diego County, and we ran into people like this kid - and worse - all the time. It's a frustrating mindset, and very real.

Yeah, someone might be playing us, but, sadly, this sounds real enough to be true.

 

[dj2012]

Look at this post.

Folks - we're being played.

?

played?

its true. my initials aren't really d and j.

But, you KNOWINGLY committed the act of vandalism. The "knowing" part involves the vandalism, not the church or religious facility part.

oh. really? 2 me it says knowingly committed TO a church...

The only one that appears to be a potential felony would be the 594.3 ... though I would doubt it will be charged as such ... maybe next time.

ok. next time? i don't try to draw on churches.

Call it mean if you want, but it's not about making spaces look better, it's about YOU putting up what YOU want to see where YOU want to put it and to heck with everyone else.

yr free to come along and change it...
anyway its not just what i want 2 see. i said a few times, other ppl like them 2.

Yeah, 'cause then they add them together and if the total damage gets over $400 (not too hard to do) then it's a felony.

yeah i thought so.

Doing drugs is a misdemeanor just like vandalism. Unfortunately for you, there is diversion for drugs so it can stay off the user's record.

maybe i'll start doin drugs then.

Depending on the specific offense, you might do up to a year in jail and have to pay up to $1,000 ... though when you add the fines for all three up and add on the associated court assessments and fees, you may have to pay more than $6,000 (or thereabouts) if the court slams you.

i don't have tht.
and if i'm juvie i can't do a year in jail right?

I was on a graffiti task force in San Diego County, and we ran into people like this kid - and worse - all the time. It's a frustrating mindset, and very real.

u were on graffiti task force? was tht just gang stuff or what? i thought this cop might be since he recognized things. he didn't say he was & wasn't wearing anything about it. he saw me down an alley so... i don't think he was just hangin out.

 

[dj2012]

Call it mean if you want, but it's not about making spaces look better, it's about YOU putting up what YOU want to see where YOU want to put it and to heck with everyone else.

also. really. you think that taking a plain wall at a kids playground thts covered in crappy tags or gang tags and putting a colorful image over it doesn't make the space look better?
i just like art. and sorry, i like spraypaint.

 

[Alex1176]

also. really. you think that taking a plain wall at a kids playground thts covered in crappy tags or gang tags and putting a colorful image over it doesn't make the space look better?
i just like art. and sorry, i like spraypaint.

But why are you acting so foolishly?
Write a letter to the city, explain the situation, show them examples of your works and ask for permission to paint those areas. Maybe you will even make some money, instead of facing criminal charges.