high schools and driving privleges

[notmyname2]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? KY

I got my "driving privleges" suspended at school after I got caught breaking driving rules - took some friends to go get some nice safe, not-cafeteria-so-won't-kill-you food. Someone saw us getting back.

I was just wondering where the school really stands on my driving rights.

What if I drive to school but don't park on school property? And walk the last block so they don't see me anyway.

 

[GotSmart]

How long will you be suspended when someone reports you for a second infraction of the rules?

You broke the law, as the school has legal responsibility for you during your regularly scheduled hours. As well as responsibility for your friends.

 

[Antigone*]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? KY

I got my "driving privleges" suspended at school after I got caught breaking driving rules - took some friends to go get some nice safe, not-cafeteria-so-won't-kill-you food. Someone saw us getting back.

I was just wondering where the school really stands on my driving rights.

What if I drive to school but don't park on school property? And walk the last block so they don't see me anyway.

What did your parents say about you breaking the law/rules?

 

[notmyname2]

You broke the law, as the school has legal responsibility for you during your regularly scheduled hours. As well as responsibility for your friends.

What law? Where do I find this law?

And still, where does the school stand regarding me drivin to and from school/outside of school property?

 

[Zigner]

What law? Where do I find this law?

And still, where does the school stand regarding me drivin to and from school/outside of school property?

Why don't you ask the school

"Hey buddy - what are you going to do about it if I drive and park a block away?!?"

Excellent attitude

 

[notmyname2]

Guys, ladies, whatever,

I didn't say I will do this, or want to do it, or have done it.

I just want to know, how much influence can a school really have when it's a legally obtained state right? I mean, basically they've put a restriction on my license saying I can't drive between these hours, basically. And if I'm not driving on school property, where does that mean they stand?

I guess that what I want to know is doesn't the school's legal responsibility start when I step on school property?

How about activities outside of school hours. Say there's a baseball game, I'm not playing but go to watch. Does the school have any say over how I arrive or leave the game if I've decided to go but am not required to be there?

Zigner, I was hoping to find out what I wanted to know without actually having a conversation with anyone 'high up'.....
Do you understand 'low profile'?

 

[justalayman]

what does the school punishment say as to what you can and cannot do.

word for word.

and exactly what are the school hours?

I guess that what I want to know is doesn't the school's legal responsibility start when I step on school property?

In some states, their liability starts when you walk out of your house. I would have to do a lot of looking to see how your state treats it.

How about activities outside of school hours. Say there's a baseball game, I'm not playing but go to watch. Does the school have any say over how I arrive or leave the game if I've decided to go but am not required to be there?

they have absolute control what you do on school grounds any time of the day, any day of the week.

I just want to know, how much influence can a school really have when it's a legally obtained state right?

what ever gave you the mistaken impression driving is a right? It isn't. It is a privilege and as such, many entities can apply and enforce rules. In fact, some states will revoke your license if you have failing grades in school so you need to understand you have no rights here, just a privilege but with that privilege, there are rules that you must follow.

 

[ecmst12]

There is a very easy way to get non-cafeteria food at school without breaking the rules. You can bring it with you in the morning!

 

[notmyname2]

what does the school punishment say as to what you can and cannot do.

word for word.

Umm well, there's no specific sentence which connects leaving campus without permission to taking a car off campus. It says that leaving campus (and this includes lunch!!! - i am paraphrasing the emphasis....) without permission is detention. It doesn't actually mention taking a car off campus (ha, weird. now that i've read it), it just says you can't be in the carpark.

It doesn't say a punishment for being in the car park but it's under a list of driving regulations. And there's another sentence that says 'parking privileges may be suspended or revoked if driving regulations are violated'.

And there's another sentence at the start that says that driving to school and parking in the school carpark is a privilege.

So, do you read that as 'driving to school AND ALSO parking in the school car park' or do you read it as 'drivingtoschoolandparkingintheschoolcarpark', as if that's one action?

And also, it says 'parking privileges' but I got 'driving privileges' suspended....

and exactly what are the school hours?

i guess that's part of my question...I would assume from first bell to the end of last class...

In some states, their liability starts when you walk out of your house.

Ok, well I'd be interested in finding out what it is here. I'm gonna see what I can find.

they have absolute control what you do on school grounds any time of the day, any day of the week.

I wasn't asking about being on school grounds. I was asking about getting to school grounds. (just like above, if the liability starts when you leave the house or when you get there - and whether there's a difference from attending school and attending something you choose to go to)

what ever gave you the mistaken impression driving is a right?

I don't have a mistaken impression. Maybe mistaken use of language. I know driving is a privilege. But a license still gives me the 'right' to drive (yes, I know it's also a privilege and the right/privilege can be revoked). That's kind of the point of a license, determining who has the right to drive. And plus, it would sound kind of stupid to say "determining who has the privilege to drive". That doesn't really sound....uh..right.

But that's a language argument.

 

[notmyname2]

yeah. ok

It's KRS 161.180 isn't it?

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/161-00/180.PDF

 

[Zigner]

I don't have a mistaken impression. Maybe mistaken use of language. I know driving is a privilege. But a license still gives me the 'right' to drive...

It absolutely does NOT give you any sort of right what-so-ever. It merely allows you to exercise your privilege.

 

[CdwJava]

Simply do not leave campus during school hours without permission, and do not drive to school in violation of whatever punishment was provided. I doubt the school can revoke your driving privilege off of campus, but they can certainly prohibit you from driving on to campus or from leaving at lunch time, and even restrict where you may go while on campus.

They can hold you accountable for whatever they have in writing. If you have a question or need clarification, go into the office to speak with an administrator. POLITELY inquire as to the limits of the punishment and ask if it is okay for you to park OFF campus so that you can drive to and from school. They should provide you that clarification. If they say you cannot drive to school, then maybe you should speak to your parents and see if they are interested in dealing with the school on the issue. If you were my son, you'd already have your driving privileges gone ... but, that's me.

 

[justalayman]

But that's a language argument.

if you aren't going to answer the questions posed to your, there is nothing I can give you for an answer.

I asked you specifically what the punishment you received is. I didn't ask what the rules are about leaving the school grounds.

what does the school punishment say as to what you can and cannot do.

word for word.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I don't have a mistaken impression. Maybe mistaken use of language. I know driving is a privilege. But a license still gives me the 'right' to drive (yes, I know it's also a privilege and the right/privilege can be revoked). That's kind of the point of a license, determining who has the right to drive. And plus, it would sound kind of stupid to say "determining who has the privilege to drive". That doesn't really sound....uh..right.

you are still wrong. You have no rights. Driving is not a right and having a license does not confer any rights upon you. At best, it confers permission but it in itself gives no rights. That permission is contingent upon many many rules being followed, including when and where you can drive.

maybe you need to research the difference between a right and a privilege. It is obvious you do not understand the difference.

I wasn't asking about being on school grounds. I was asking about getting to school grounds. (just like above, if the liability starts when you leave the house or when you get there - and whether there's a difference from attending school and attending something you choose to go to)

yes you were. You asked about going to a sporting even on school grounds where you were not a participant.

your quote:

How about activities outside of school hours. Say there's a baseball game, I'm not playing but go to watch. Does the school have any say over how I arrive or leave the game if I've decided to go but am not required to be there?

If you notice, I quoted your question and posted my response immediately below it. Do you always have this much trouble remembering what you wrote and what questions you asked?

and thanks for hunting the statute:

161.180 Supervision of pupils' conduct.
(1) Each teacher and administrator in the public schools shall in accordance with the rules, regulations, and bylaws of the board of education made and adopted pursuant to KRS 160.290 for the conduct of pupils, hold pupils to a strict account for their conduct on school premises, on the way to and from school, and on school sponsored trips and activities.

I would have to have even more support, most likely from state law concerning the administrative actions the DMV can take and if the school can initiate a driving restriction but based solely on this statute, I would suspect the school can in fact prevent you from driving to or from school regardless where you parked.

 

[frylover]

I got my "driving privleges" suspended at school after I got caught breaking driving rules - took some friends to go get some nice safe, not-cafeteria-so-won't-kill-you food. Someone saw us getting back.

How many deaths have been attributed to the food served in your school cafeteria?

 

[frylover]

Simply do not leave campus during school hours without permission, and do not drive to school in violation of whatever punishment was provided. I doubt the school can revoke your driving privilege off of campus, but they can certainly prohibit you from driving on to campus or from leaving at lunch time, and even restrict where you may go while on campus.

They can hold you accountable for whatever they have in writing. If you have a question or need clarification, go into the office to speak with an administrator. POLITELY inquire as to the limits of the punishment and ask if it is okay for you to park OFF campus so that you can drive to and from school. They should provide you that clarification. If they say you cannot drive to school, then maybe you should speak to your parents and see if they are interested in dealing with the school on the issue. If you were my son, you'd already have your driving privileges gone ... but, that's me.[/QUOTE]


Thank God some parents still have some common sense and expect their children to follow the rules.

I try to make my KINDERGARTEN students understand that for the rest of their lives they are likely to come across rules they don't particulary care for, and that they can't just pick and choose the ones they approve of.

Of coures, with more and more mommies and daddies reminding their children every day of their lives how very speciail and privileged they are, I'm probably wasting my breath.