high schools and driving privleges

[Humusluvr]

As long as you are enrolled in a public school, said school may enforce truancy law. If you leave campus AT ALL during school hours, you can be charged with truancy. In my county, if you walk before the judge, charged with truancy, they will revoke your driver's license. you don't enven want to know what they'll do if they catch driving with no license. Even if you are 18, if you are still in school, a judge may revoke your license.

They can't stop you from driving to and from campus, if you park off campus. Just don't leave campus once you are there. You can be a putz and try to get all legal on them, as in "this is my right, darnit" but you know what will happen? They will ride you. They will watch you. You will be screwed, every time you look sideways. That's what admin does. They gave you a direction, and you shouldn't be a weasel about it. Just get over it, you got caught, deal with the detention, don't do it again. You haven't been expelled and you're not in front of a judge YET, so don't escalate the issue.

I'm just saying, as a Principal, that's what I would do.... you live and you learn.

 

[cyjeff]

If you insist upon this course of action, find a place to park your car near campus.

Pay for the privilege... get the agreement in writing and pay up front.

then walk from there to school...

Face it, you were cutting... just because you came back doesn't mean jack.

 

[notmyname2]

I'm not really sure why so much hostility has turned up on this thread....I'm sorry that I'm curious about the law and how it affects me. At no point have I said 'stuff the school', all I've said has been hey, this happened to me - what's the legal viewpoint? And look, I know I broke the rules leaving at lunchtime, I'm not arguing about getting a punishment for it.

"rights vs privileges" - I have nothing else to say about the use of language. It has nothing to do with this. Let it slide guys. (if it's going to be up to me to be the mature one)

if you aren't going to answer the questions posed to your, there is nothing I can give you for an answer.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I'm not really sure why I got such a rude response, my answers came from my interpretation of your poorly written questions. And if you want to be like this.....if you read YOUR post again, you might actually notice that there was a distinct lack of the use of question marks....

I can't really be faulted for misreading the information if it's incorrectly expressed...

And if we're really going to be technical, "if you aren't going to answer the questions posed to your"...that doesn't really make sense does it?

yes you were. You asked about going to a sporting even on school grounds where you were not a participant.

No I wasn't. I'm still asking about travel to and from school grounds. Not being on school grounds....you know what, forget it.

Justalayman - could you really not have just posted your final paragraph? Why all the hostility before it?

How many deaths have been attributed to the food served in your school cafeteria?

57 since records began in 1953.

Face it, you were cutting... just because you came back doesn't mean jack.

Yeah, I know. When did this become part of it?


And after all this, if you're interested in the query I started with, I saw the principal in the hallway so I said "I've got a question Mr"

He told me, no, to be technical they can't absolutely stop you from driving to school if you stay off school property. But that from the school's point of view it all comes down to the agreement that my parents and I signed about driving regulations back at the start of the year. So yes, I could drive to school if I really wanted to but when they found out they'd take disciplinary action. (and he said all this without being a schmuck too, amazing!...)

And then he said 'is this all a hypothetical situation or do I need to tell some people to watch out for you swinging your car keys around?'

Haha. He's observant. I'm not driving until my suspension ends.

I'm not a bad kid alright. I just had a legal question I was curious about...

The last time that I came here with a legal 'issue' that I was curious about I got a really good response, without any rudeness or hostility. But I don't think that I'll bother to come back.

 

[cyjeff]

I'm not really sure why so much hostility has turned up on this thread....I'm sorry that I'm curious about the law and how it affects me. At no point have I said 'stuff the school', all I've said has been hey, this happened to me - what's the legal viewpoint? And look, I know I broke the rules leaving at lunchtime, I'm not arguing about getting a punishment for it.

"rights vs privileges" - I have nothing else to say about the use of language. It has nothing to do with this. Let it slide guys. (if it's going to be up to me to be the mature one)

You don't understand.

Legally, the terms right and privilege have specific meanings. A right can be demanded and is yours to use. A privilege must be requested and has limitations and parameters (that is a very loose definition... there are rights that have parameters - like gun ownership - and privileges that may be demanded).

I'm not really sure why I got such a rude response, my answers came from my interpretation of your poorly written questions. And if you want to be like this.....if you read YOUR post again, you might actually notice that there was a distinct lack of the use of question marks....

I can't really be faulted for misreading the information if it's incorrectly expressed...

And if we're really going to be technical, "if you aren't going to answer the questions posed to your"...that doesn't really make sense does it?

Of course it does.

No I wasn't. I'm still asking about travel to and from school grounds. Not being on school grounds....you know what, forget it.

Justalayman - could you really not have just posted your final paragraph? Why all the hostility before it?

Sorry, this is a legal website.

If you want someone to worry about your feelings, I recommend you ask your friends or parents.

Yeah, I know. When did this become part of it?

When you seemed unable to understand why your lunch time jaunt should have repercussions.

And after all this, if you're interested in the query I started with, I saw the principal in the hallway so I said "I've got a question Mr"

He told me, no, to be technical they can't absolutely stop you from driving to school if you stay off school property. But that from the school's point of view it all comes down to the agreement that my parents and I signed about driving regulations back at the start of the year. So yes, I could drive to school if I really wanted to but when they found out they'd take disciplinary action. (and he said all this without being a schmuck too, amazing!...)

Strangely enough, exactly what we said.

And then he said 'is this all a hypothetical situation or do I need to tell some people to watch out for you swinging your car keys around?'

Haha. He's observant. I'm not driving until my suspension ends.

I'm not a bad kid alright. I just had a legal question I was curious about...

The last time that I came here with a legal 'issue' that I was curious about I got a really good response, without any rudeness or hostility. But I don't think that I'll bother to come back.

We will try to soldier on anyway.

 

[notmyname2]

cyjeff, I'm not convinced that you've actually read anything that I've written.

You don't understand.

No, it's not that I don't understand. It's really more that I don't care for your assistance in understanding the difference between rights and privileges. I'll ask my english teacher.

I'm not really sure why I got such a rude response, my answers came from my interpretation of your poorly written questions. And if you want to be like this.....if you read YOUR post again, you might actually notice that there was a distinct lack of the use of question marks....

Yeah, that's really cute how you took what I wrote and then reposted it as if it was you saying it. Plagiarism basically. But still, cute. Unfortunately you left in the bit with the question marks, and that's where you decided to place some emphasis on the point you were making. Now, if you actually were to read any of my posts, I think you'd find my use of question marks more than adequate.

But still, the idea was cute. My brother does that sometimes too. Yeah, he's 12.

Of course it does.

ahhh alright Einstein. (actually, it made absolutely zero sense...)

Sorry, this is a legal website.

It's hard to tell amongst all the crap.

If you want someone to worry about your feelings, I recommend you ask your friends or parents.

I never wanted anyone to worry about my feelings. All I ever wanted was a straight, legal response. (Your reading comprehension is terrible)

When you seemed unable to understand why your lunch time jaunt should have repercussions.

You're 100% wrong. Did you not see the bit where I said:

I know I broke the rules leaving at lunchtime, I'm not arguing about getting a punishment for it.

Strangely enough, exactly what we said.

haha...hardly....one or two posters amongst the crap. And you certainly didn't....

Cdwjava is the only one who said something similar to what the principal said. Humuslvr got half-way there.

We will try to soldier on anyway.

Well, it's a good thing it's not your job.

 

[justalayman]

I'm not really sure why I got such a rude response, my answers came from my interpretation of your poorly written questions. And if you want to be like this.....if you read YOUR post again, you might actually notice that there was a distinct lack of the use of question marks....

I can't really be faulted for misreading the information if it's incorrectly expressed...

you misunderstood this:

what does the school punishment say as to what you can and cannot do.

word for word.

and exactly what are the school hours?

the only thing missing is a question mark at the end of the obvious interrogative statement (the first one). Other than that, it is as simple as you can get yet it appears it is still too many words for you to comprehend.

all I can say is: stay in school kid, you really need it.

No I wasn't. I'm still asking about travel to and from school grounds. Not being on school grounds....you know what, forget it.

Now whose questions are not able to be understood. You asked about what the school could do about you going to a school event. That would infer something happening on school grounds. i.e. can they control my presence on school grounds outside of normal school hours.

Justalayman - could you really not have just posted your final paragraph? Why all the hostility before it?

no hostility on my part, just factual. and be sure to read my signature line. It is a serious statement.

 

[stealth2]

Aaaah, I do love a smart-ass teen.

Oh wait.... not really.

 

[cyjeff]

cyjeff, I'm not convinced that you've actually read anything that I've written.

Mark Twain once wrote in response to a fledgling writer that was dismayed that his entire manuscript hadn't been written, "I do not have to eat an entire egg to know that it is rotten."

No, it's not that I don't understand. It's really more that I don't care for your assistance in understanding the difference between rights and privileges. I'll ask my english teacher.

Your English teacher may or may not give you the legal definition. You are on a legal website asking for legal help.

Therefore, the only definitions worthy of consideration are legal ones. I was trying to fill that gap in your knowledge.

Y

eah, that's really cute how you took what I wrote and then reposted it as if it was you saying it. Plagiarism basically. But still, cute. Unfortunately you left in the bit with the question marks, and that's where you decided to place some emphasis on the point you were making. Now, if you actually were to read any of my posts, I think you'd find my use of question marks more than adequate.

That was NOT my post. I missed the QUOTE. I assure you that I have no wish to claim your responses as my own.

Ya need to lighten up there a little, princess.

But still, the idea was cute. My brother does that sometimes too. Yeah, he's 12.

Can HE understand how posting works?

ahhh alright Einstein. (actually, it made absolutely zero sense...)

There are, apparently, may things that do not make sense to you. I am not sure that your lack of comprehension makes them without value.

I never wanted anyone to worry about my feelings. All I ever wanted was a straight, legal response. (Your reading comprehension is terrible)

Oh, then when you said, "I'm not really sure why so much hostility has turned up on this thread" or "I'm not really sure why I got such a rude response"
or "Why all the hostility before it" or "and he said all this without being a schmuck too, amazing" it wasn't your way of saying we were picking on you?

That passive aggressive crap may work on your friends or parents, but not here.

haha...hardly....one or two posters amongst the crap. And you certainly didn't....

Please note the word "we".

Cdwjava is the only one who said something similar to what the principal said. Humuslvr got half-way there.

Actually, if you look at my post, I told you EXACTLY how to do it. All you saw, however, was that I was picking on you.

Poor baby.

Well, it's a good thing it's not your job.

I don't know how I will manage to go on after your job appraisal... we will just have to see.

 

[notmyname2]

the only thing missing is a question mark at the end of the obvious interrogative statement (the first one). Other than that, it is as simple as you can get yet it appears it is still too many words for you to comprehend.

Nah, it's not really that clear.
You asked what the school punishments were, word for word. So I told you what the school punishments were, word for word, straight out of the handbook.

I don't know man. Communicate better.

Now whose questions are not able to be understood. You asked about what the school could do about you going to a school event. That would infer something happening on school grounds. i.e. can they control my presence on school grounds outside of normal school hours.

If you go back to my original question, you'll notice that I specifically asked about the act of arriving and leaving.

Does the school have any say over how I arrive or leave the game if I've decided to go but am not required to be there?

What is it that's interfering with your understanding of that?
It makes a whole lot more sense that your question....

no hostility on my part, just factual. and be sure to read my signature line. It is a serious statement.

Well there's a difference between wanting "warm fuzzies" and expecting concise legal responses instead of people acting like jerks.

 

[notmyname2]

Aaaah, I do love a smart-ass teen.

Oh wait.... not really.

Did I start out smart-ass?


You play to your opponent's strengths.

 

[notmyname2]

Mark Twain once wrote in response to a fledgling writer that was dismayed that his entire manuscript hadn't been written, "I do not have to eat an entire egg to know that it is rotten."

Mmmhmm. I assume you mean his entire manuscript hadn't been read. It's probably a bad move to send someone a half-written story and saying 'hey, finish this will ya'
Anyway, Mark Twain didn't then dissect it and place his own rambling, nonsensical bs throughout.

Your English teacher may or may not give you the legal definition.

well, gee, I guess I could specifically ask about that. whaddya think?

You are on a legal website asking for legal help.

Try as I might.

Ya need to lighten up there a little, princess.

I don't see why...I think you guys need to bring your heads back down to earth.
I asked for some legal advice, a perfectly legitimate question, I got smart ass crap.

Can HE understand how posting works?

Of course he does, he's 12. Better than you even.

There are, apparently, may things that do not make sense to you. I am not sure that your lack of comprehension makes them without value.

No. It's not that they don't make sense to me. It's that they don't make sense. Period. There have been plenty of things said that have been both lacking in sense AND without value.

You're not as smart as you think you are....as they say, monkeys will eventually write Shakespeare given the time.

Oh, then when you said, "I'm not really sure why so much hostility has turned up on this thread" or "I'm not really sure why I got such a rude response"
or "Why all the hostility before it" or "and he said all this without being a schmuck too, amazing" it wasn't your way of saying we were picking on you?

No. It was my way of saying there was a lot of hostility and rudeness on this thread. And that people were being schmucks (calling someone a schmuck does not always reflect your emotions...sometimes people are just schmucks)

Again, all I was ever looking for was a legal response. That was obviously too much to ask.

Please note the word "we".

So you just claim other people's well worded, accurate, schmuck-free responses as your own? As if they were some part of a collective knowledge, that you had not intellectual role in communicating. Good for you cyjeff, you're a champ!

Actually, if you look at my post, I told you EXACTLY how to do it. All you saw, however, was that I was picking on you.

Yeah...you did tell me how I could park my car off campus, the second sentence - I have no idea what you're talking about, and walk to school and that I was cutting.

Well done sport. Unfortunately the question had been where does the school stand in a legal sense about restricting my ability to drive to and from school, if I'm off school property? Your response wasn't at all what I was looking for. And difficult to read. (not because of a reading comprehension problem, because it read like you'd drunk a fifth of vodka and sat down to write it)

Poor baby.

Awww, more condescending crap.

I don't know how I will manage to go on after your job appraisal... we will just have to see.

I guess I'd hope you'd quit.


I'm actually baffled to have two completely opposite experiences on this site. No-one comes looking for all this crap.

 

[cyjeff]

I'm actually baffled to have two completely opposite experiences on this site. No-one comes looking for all this crap.

Thought you were leaving, princess.

I gave you your legal answer. The principal cannot restrict your movements off school property excepting during school hours.

Then I tried to help you by telling you that specific wording is necessary in law. You got your nose out of joint again.

I didn't think you needed to hear a chorus of people saying the same thing... we really don't like to repeat ourselves. Because I didn't, you got your nose out of joint AGAIN.

Crap, there hasn't been this much drama on Broadway. Is everything in your life this big a deal? Your parents must be very tired.

p.s. Mark Twain was actually KNOWN for commenting throughout novels and stories sent to him.

 

[notmyname2]

Thought you were leaving, princess.

No. I said I wasn't going to bother coming back for legal advice.

And you keep saying princess, but that's ok. Girls are cool.

I gave you your legal answer. The principal cannot restrict your movements off school property excepting during school hours.

Hahahahahahahaha that's hilarious. When exactly do you believe that you said this?

excepting during school hours....lol. Don't worry, you'll get the hang of the english language sometime. Just keep on trucking.

Then I tried to help you by telling you that specific wording is necessary in law. You got your nose out of joint again.

Yeah. I was getting irritated at the irrelevance of it all.

I didn't think you needed to hear a chorus of people saying the same thing... we really don't like to repeat ourselves. Because I didn't, you got your nose out of joint AGAIN.

So, what was the point of you saying anything at all? (what exactly do you think has been useful about anything you've said?) Do you think that rather the thread could have done without a chorus of people spouting crap?

Crap, there hasn't been this much drama on Broadway.

So, you haven't been to broadway then.

Is everything in your life this big a deal? Your parents must be very tired.

No, I usually have pretty cool people around me who don't start crap. My parents? They're fine. How did your parents survive you?

I like how you're trying to relinquish any responsibility for creating any crap at all.

You like coming on the internet and attempting to irritate people. You get a rise out of it don't you? I bet you're not this arrogant in real life. Surely someone would've handed you your dessert by now if you were.

p.s. Mark Twain was actually KNOWN for commenting throughout novels and stories sent to him.

Good boy, cyjeff. It's fascinating that you know this. But I believe the key words in the sentence were "rambling, nonsensical bs".

 

[justalayman]

=notmyname2;2517282]Nah, it's not really that clear.
You asked what the school punishments were, word for word. So I told you what the school punishments were, word for word, straight out of the handbook.

No. what is in the book is a possible punishment. What they gave you as punishment is the punishment. Do you really have that much trouble with the English language? Is it a second language for you?

If you go back to my original question, you'll notice that I specifically asked about the act of arriving and leaving.

that was not part of your original question. It was a subsequent question in a later post, post 6 to be precise:

How about activities outside of school hours. Say there's a baseball game, I'm not playing but go to watch. Does the school have any say over how I arrive or leave the game if I've decided to go but am not required to be there?

Based on the context of the question, arrive and leave imply arriving or leaving school grounds. I responded that yes, they can control what you do on school grounds, anytime, any day. Notice ON SCHOOL GROUNDS. I did not say anything about not on school grounds.

What is it that's interfering with your understanding of that?
It makes a whole lot more sense that your question....

I answered that question. Can you not read?

Well there's a difference between wanting "warm fuzzies" and expecting concise legal responses instead of people acting like jerks.]

You got accurate answers. You are the one complaining about how you are treated. I don't do "warm fuzzies".

 

[Humusluvr]

Sorry, this is a legal website.

If you want someone to worry about your feelings, I recommend you ask your friends or parents.

Just because I think this thread has become somwhat amusing, I will quote the terms of service at the bottom of this page

FreeAdvice Forums are intended to enable consumers to benefit from the experience of other consumers who have faced similar legal issues

This is a forum, not a legal website. We, as consumers, are benefitting from the experience of other consumers who have faced similar issues. My "qualifications" per se, are that I taught high school ten years, am a licensed School Administrator, took Public School Law, and now am advancing on my PhD in Secondary Ed. I know truancy law, I have dealt with judges, I have dealt with students and their rights, and I hope I plainly spelled out to you the way the law sees it, and the way admin sees the issue.

I am not a lawyer, but I certainly can research law, have dealt with it firsthand, and feel that I steered you in the right direction, and was not a jerk about it.

One of the wonderful things about a forum is the lively direction it can take. I appreciate that this student appears to be savy on the computer, using quotes, and that he took the advice and asked questions.

These kinds of questions are what keep us "consumers" consuming