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squishO90

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Without reviewing the medical record it is difficult to answer these questions with confidence. After finding you the nurse likely placed you on face mask oxygen and your oxygen saturation may have returned to noraml limits. Something influenced the nurse to choose calling resp. therapy and the physician, rather than a code team. Calling the code is much easier since you just push a button. Not every patient in distress or exhibiting hypoxia requires a code. However, the physician DID call the code presumably shortly after he arrived so I am suspicious of the nurses decision, though I cannot find fault with it. I am also wondering at your blood pressure of 40 systolic requiring Levophed. It is somewhat unusual and needs investigation. In a small % of patients Narcan can cause vascular collapse and pulmonary edema. Again, the timeline of events, the vital signs and the notes of the providers have to be evaluated in total by an expert to definitively answer these issues.
It really doesn't say whether or not they bagmasked me in either the code note or the event note. Also I misread the medical records again, apparently my Blood, pressure only went down to 60/p. I think I got the 40 number from my O2 sats. Sorry about that :eek: I also read on the internet where Narcan can cause vascular collapse. It does say in the code note that BP rapidly decreased to SBP 60's and then ther is a dash and it then says that NARCAN was given without response. Apparently they gave me 3 doses of 0.4 mg of NARCAN. Anyway, thanks for all your help LAWMED. I think I am going to have to take this to an attorney to see what they think. I really do appreciate all of your advice and your attitude as well. You have been very helpful, and I thank you. :)

Rick
 


LAWMED

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Interesting.

My pleasure.

One last thing. That is alot of Narcan, both dose wise and thought process wise. What I mean is WHY were they immediatley CONVINCED that opiate overdose was a prime suspect. It shows a consciousness of guilt. You would ONLY give a triple dose of Narcan in a patient very strongly suspected of a large opiate overdoes (even then that is ALOT). Who suddenly said "Whoa, this guy was overdosed...give a bunch of Narcan"...and why?. SOMEONE did....otherwise no one would have any reason to administer it. There was a conscious, clear decision that you had probably been overdosed. Follow up on that.
 

squishO90

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Interesting.

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My pleasure.

One last thing. That is alot of Narcan, both dose wise and thought process wise. What I mean is WHY were they immediatley CONVINCED that opiate overdose was a prime suspect. It shows a consciousness of guilt. You would ONLY give a triple dose of Narcan in a patient very strongly suspected of a large opiate overdoes (even then that is ALOT). Who suddenly said "Whoa, this guy was overdosed...give a bunch of Narcan"...and why?. SOMEONE did....otherwise no one would have any reason to administer it. There was a conscious, clear decision that you had probably been overdosed. Follow up on that.

That is a very good point LAWMED, thank you for that. I will be sure to give my attorney your notes. I really do appreciate you help on this.

Rick
 

lya

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I'm just asking questions, and I'm certainly not ungrateful. And you should read the medical records and the reports from the Dr's. Things like "grave prognosis" and "little if any chance of recovery". That sure doesn't sound to me like they had much faith in the actions of whoever took care of me, at least in terms of preventing hypoxic damage. Beleive me I know it is a miracle that I am still here and able to communicate at all. And yes I am the author of these posts. And for your information, my wife is helping me write these posts and is the one who is going over the medical records. Not only that, I never said my ability to communicate was compromised. I said I have severe cognitive and emotional deficits. Would you like a list? And you have no idea how long it took me to make this reply to you. Not only that but I'm losing my job and in a few weeks I will be without a paycheck. Does it make you feel good to pick on someone who doesn't have the ability to defend himself? You sound awful defensive, as if Nurses are infallible or something. I know because of my brain injury, my daughter is a better nurse. For example, she actually checks on her patients during the night and doesn't take for granted that because they showed a little movement that they are ok. At least that what she tells us. And for your information, my daughter , and sister, who are both nurses can find plenty of fault with the way the nurse on duty acted, the neurosurgeon who prescribed the 80 mg of Oxycontin and the hospital acted and the record keeping in general. I appreciate your input however :) And don't worry. I don't think all nurses are bad, but just like any profession, they do make mistakes at least occasionally. Have a nice day :)
I am simply commenting about your focus on the nurse whose actions saved your life.

Nobody else would have ever provided any treatment to you had this nurse not responded quickly and appropriately. If there is a valid claim of medical negligence, it the nurse in question will not be found to be singularly responsible for the outcome.

My gut feeling is a review of the medical records is going to reveal an entirely different picture than that which you have painted.

By the way, I am glad your experience has motivated your daughter to check on her patients during her shift at work and not to simply stand at the door and make sure a body is in the bed and that the body has some type of movement. Whew.

LAWMED is giving you the answers you want and some good advice.

Post back in a few years and let us know how your lawsuit progressed.
 

squishO90

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I am simply commenting about your focus on the nurse whose actions saved your life.

Sure you are. You are being belligerent because you think that I think a "nurse" may have screwed up. And my focus is not on just the nurse. It's also on the Doctor who perescribed me 80 mg of Oxycontin as a first dose of pain medication. It is he who I think bears the most reaponsibility


Nobody else would have ever provided any treatment to you had this nurse not responded quickly and appropriately. If there is a valid claim of medical negligence, it the nurse in question will not be found to be singularly responsible for the outcome.

Any treatment maybe. But how about the correct treatment :)

My gut feeling is a review of the medical records is going to reveal an entirely different picture than that which you have painted.

Well you certainly have your opinions, and you are entitled to them :)

By the way, I am glad your experience has motivated your daughter to check on her patients during her shift at work and not to simply stand at the door and make sure a body is in the bed and that the body has some type of movement. Whew.

Unlike the nurse who could have maybe found me sooner and saved me from having a life changing experience :eek:

LAWMED is giving you the answers you want and some good advice.

Unlike you who spews hatred and venom because one of her own is maybe guilty of not doing her job properly ;)

I will. In fact I already have an attorney that we contacted this week who is VERY interested in taking the case. And by the way I don't have to pay ANYTHING unless I win. Even if it's that I only call into question that Nurse's qualifications and committment to her patients, then that will be victory enough for me.

Let me say I'm sorry to all the nurses out there who unlike this one, lya, who are truly compassionate people who care deeply about their patients as I'm sure "my nurse" as lya puts it was and still is. it's unfortunate that one bad apple spoils it for you all :eek:


Post back in a few years and let us know how your lawsuit progressed.


I will. will ?you still be here
 

squishO90

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To LAWMED or any other professional who cares to answer:

I have a question regarding tolerance to Oxycontin. First off my surgery was July 10th of last year. On 4/27 I filled a prescription of 90 10 mg flexeril, PRN, for back spasms. On 6/19 I filled a prescription for 40 5-500 vicodin, PRN. I was an Air Traffic Controller so any meds like these disaualify me from working for 24 hours after the last pill is taken.


Thank you very much

Rick:)








Initiation of Therapy
It is critical to initiate the dosing regimen for each patient individually, taking into account
the patient's prior opioid and non-opioid analgesic treatment. Attention should be given to:
(1) the general condition and medical status of the patient;
(2) the patient's opioid exposure and opioid tolerance (if any);
(3) the daily dose, potency, and kind of the analgesic(s) the patient has been taking;
( 4) the reliability of the conversion estimate used to calculate the dose of oxycodone;
(5) special safety issues associated with conversion to OxyContin® doses at or exceeding
160 mg q12h (see Special Instructions for OxyContin 80 mg and 160 mg Tablets);
and
(6) the balance between pain control and adverse experiences.
Care should be taken to use low initial doses of OxyContin in patients who are not already
opioid-tolerant, especially those who are receiving concurrent treatment with muscle
relaxants, sedatives, or other CNS active medications (see PRECAUTIONS: Drug-Drug
Interactions).
Experience indicates a reasonable starting dose of OxyContin for patients who are taking
non-opioid analgesics and require continuous around-the-clock therapy for an extended
period of time is 10 mg q12h. If a non-opioid analgesic is being provided, it may be
continued. OxyContin should be individually titrated to a dose that provides adequate
analgesia and minimizes side effects.
For initiation of OxyContin therapy for patients previously taking opioids, the conversion
ratios from Foley, KM. [NEJM, 1985; 313:84-95], found below, are a reasonable starting
point, although not verified in well-controlled, multiple-dose trials.
1. Using standard conversion ratio estimates (see Table 4 below), multiply the mg/day of
the previous opioids by the appropriate multiplication factors to obtain the equivalent
total daily dose of oral oxycodone.
2. When converting from oxycodone, divide the 24-hour oxycodone dose in half to obtain
the twice a day (q12h) dose of OxyContin.
3. Round down to a dose which is appropriate for the tablet strengths available.
4. Discontinue all other around-the-clock opioid drugs when OxyContin therapy is initiated.
5. No fixed conversion ratio is likely to be satisfactory in all patients, especially patients
receiving large opioid doses. The recommended doses shown in Table 4 are only a
starting point, and close observation and frequent titration are indicated until patients are
stable on the new therapy.

TABLE 4.
Multiplication Factors for Converting the Daily Dose
of Prior Opioids to the Daily Dose of Oral Oxycodone*
(Mg/Day Prior Opioid x Factor = Mg/Day Oral
Oxycodone)
Oral Prior Opioid Parenteral Prior Opioid
Oxycodone 1 --
Codeine 0.15 --
Hydrocodone 0.9 --
Hydromorphone 4 20
Levorphanol 7.5 15
Meperidine 0.1 0.4
Methadone 1.5 3
Morphine 0.5 3
* To be used only for conversion to oral oxycodone. For patients receiving high-dose
parenteral opioids, a more conservative conversion is warranted. For example, for highdose
parenteral morphine, use 1.5 instead of 3 as a multiplication factor.
In all cases, supplemental analgesia should be made available in the form of a suitable shortacting
analgesic.
OxyContin® can be safely used concomitantly with usual doses of non-opioid analgesics and
analgesic adjuvants, provided care is taken to select a proper initial dose (see
PRECAUTIONS).
 
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LAWMED

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Tolerance

The very simple and confident answer is NO.
There has never been an individual who, after 40 vicodin, taken any way you wish...all at once, as directed, double the recommended...doesn't matter, has become tolerant to 80mg of oxycontin (excepting some abnormal physiology).
80 mg is an appropriate post-op dose ONLY for a chronic pain patient, on long term opiates, who has was previously taking that amount just prior to surgery. Even in that patient if the surgery was to correct the cause of the pain, a lower dose is advisable to start. If you were tolerant to 80mg of oxycodone, you would NOT have to ask if you were...you would be very aware of it since you would have experience taking massive amounts of opiates.
 

squishO90

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Thanks LAWMED,


Another quick question. Could the 90 Flexeril build a tolerance to Oxycontin? I thought I read on the website that care should be taken to use initial low doses of oxycontin when patients are taking another CNS depressant like muscle relaxants etc. What do you think about that?

Thanks again an awful lot for your time LAWMED, I really appreciate it. Hopefully it will be good news from the lawyer pretty soon. I promise not to bug you any more. :p If I knew who you were and where you were I'd buy you a beer ( or 3 or 4) :)

Thanks again.

Rick
 
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ecmst12

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Flexeril isn't a narcotic so I don't see how it could cause a tolerance to a narcotic. That's not to say it isn't possible, I'm not a doctor or pharmacist, but I'd be surprised. Drugs.com says taking Flexeril with narcotics can compound the sedative effect of both, that I would expect. But I don't think the drugs are that closely related that cross-tolerance could result.
 

squishO90

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to anyone who cares

lya Quote:
Originally Posted by squishO90
I'm just asking questions, and I'm certainly not ungrateful. And you should read the medical records and the reports from the Dr's. Things like "grave prognosis" and "little if any chance of recovery". That sure doesn't sound to me like they had much faith in the actions of whoever took care of me, at least in terms of preventing hypoxic damage. Beleive me I know it is a miracle that I am still here and able to communicate at all. And yes I am the author of these posts. And for your information, my wife is helping me write these posts and is the one who is going over the medical records. Not only that, I never said my ability to communicate was compromised. I said I have severe cognitive and emotional deficits. Would you like a list? And you have no idea how long it took me to make this reply to you. Not only that but I'm losing my job and in a few weeks I will be without a paycheck. Does it make you feel good to pick on someone who doesn't have the ability to defend himself? You sound awful defensive, as if Nurses are infallible or something. I know because of my brain injury, my daughter is a better nurse. For example, she actually checks on her patients during the night and doesn't take for granted that because they showed a little movement that they are ok. At least that what she tells us. And for your information, my daughter , and sister, who are both nurses can find plenty of fault with the way the nurse on duty acted, the neurosurgeon who prescribed the 80 mg of Oxycontin and the hospital acted and the record keeping in general. I appreciate your input however And don't worry. I don't think all nurses are bad, but just like any profession, they do make mistakes at least occasionally. Have a nice day

I am simply commenting about your focus on the nurse whose actions saved your life.

Nobody else would have ever provided any treatment to you had this nurse not responded quickly and appropriately. If there is a valid claim of medical negligence, it the nurse in question will not be found to be singularly responsible for the outcome.

My gut feeling is a review of the medical records is going to reveal an entirely different picture than that which you have painted.

By the way, I am glad your experience has motivated your daughter to check on her patients during her shift at work and not to simply stand at the door and make sure a body is in the bed and that the body has some type of movement. Whew.

LAWMED is giving you the answers you want and some good advice.

Post back in a few years and let us know how your lawsuit progressed.

Hi :)

I'm the guy with the event of hypoxic mischemic encephalopathy, and I'm ressponding to LYA who told me to post back in a few years and to le you all know how the lawsuit went. Anyway the lawsuit is going very well. The complaint was filed earlier this year. I also just wanted to thank LAWMED for all the good advice, it changed my Lawyers mind, thank you thank you thank you
 

squishO90

Member
My question involves medical malpractice in the state of: Rhode island

Hi :)

A brief synopsis on my medical malpractice situation, which I posted on this forum a while ago.

I had a spinal fusion about 2 and a half years ago. To make a long story short, I was given 80 mg's of Oxycontin twice a day, which caused me to become so hypoxic and ischemic in my brain that it caused a brain injury.

Anyway, this is in response to those people who told me to " Post back in a few years and let us know how your lawsuit progressed." meaning that they though I was full of beans. They also said “My gut feeling is a review of the medical records is going to reveal an entirely different picture than that which you have painted.”


I provided the naysayers proof that 80 mg's of oxycontin was for opioid tolerant patients only, and I was clearly not opioid tolerant and I could prove it.
They responded with some nonsense that opiod tolerance meant tolerance in the sense that a person tolerated opiods. In other words opioid tolerance in the sense that 80 mg's was too much had nothing to do with it, it was tolerance in the sense of "sensitivity" to the medication.

I also mentioned how I thought the nurse may bear some responsibility,and they ( the responders on this thread who were/are nurses) became unglued and castigated me, ridiculed me and told me that my "ungrateful rear end" should be glad I was alive and the nurse properly did her duties. I think you know who you are, since I see your name here making various posts ( that you apparently don't seem qualified to share your opinion, especially when it comes to medical malpractice lawsuits)

Anyway I'm here to tell you all that I did contact an attorney and he gladly took the case and has already filed a lawsuit, and is amending the lawsuit to include the hospital, because he has experts who say both the hospital pharmacist and the nurses violated the standard of care because they knew or should have known that 80 mg's of Oxycontin was too much, and should have questioned the doctor about that dose and/or at least if he knew if I was opioid tolerant and then documented that fact, which neither of them did so it didn't happen, correct???:eek:

The attorney even said this could be a "monumental" case because of the amount of money I lost in wages ( I had to retire on disability) I went from the mid 6 figures to the high 5 figures.

I guess what I'm trying to say is all of you people who get told that you don't have a case should beware of some of the people on this board because they have no clue what they're talking about, especially some of the nurses.

So : pfffft: to all you people who said I didn't have a case:D, and my eternal thanks to LAWMED who gave me much valuable information that I shared with the attorney that convinced him that I had a very strong case.

Thanks

Squish.
 

lealea1005

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guess what I'm trying to say is all of you people who get told that you don't have a case should beware of some of the people on this board because they have no clue what they're talking about, especially some of the nurses.
blah....blah...blah...( that you apparently don't seem qualified to share your opinion, especially when it comes to medical malpractice lawsuits)

Excuse me, but in post #3, this Nurse suggested you run it by an attorney.

Perhaps one of the other medical people will be by to add information. In the meantime, the only other thing I could suggest is to seek the advice of a med/mal attorney who will obtain your medical records and have them reviewed by an expert. Good luck.
I know a few of the other RNs on this board and could assure you they are extremely knowledgable,and more than qualified to opine on your particular case. I get the feeling their answers weren't what you wanted to hear. Good luck with your "monumental" case. I'm sure your attorney will keep adding people to the lawsuit in the hopes of a payout from somewhere....anywhere.

Just added info: A Pharmacist fills the prescriptions written by the Physician. Period. S/he does not know the patient's diagnosis or particulars of the patient's medical record. They would be responsible for questioning a med that may have an interaction with other meds on record, but that's about it.

I will also maintain that you are lucky to be alive, and that is due to the immediate actions of your Nurse that night.
 
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squishO90

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blah....blah...blah...( that you apparently don't seem qualified to share your opinion, especially when it comes to medical malpractice lawsuits)


Well it's true don't you think. You tell l ots of people that they don't have a case, because you're so biased in favor of the medical profession. I stand by my statement that this board would be better served if some of you nurses didn't comment or at least do some research.

I know a few of the other RNs on this board and could assure you they are extremely knowledgable,and more than qualified to opine on your particular case. I get the feeling their answers weren't what you wanted to hear. Good luck with your "monumental" case. I'm sure your attorney will keep adding people to the lawsuit in the hopes of a payout.

I'm sure there are also, but there are definitely some who aren't ;)




My attorney is adding people who are responsible for my injury. Like the Nurse :)

Just added info: A Pharmacist fills the prescriptions written by the Physician. Period. S/he does not know the patient's diagnosis or particulars of the patient's medical record. They would be responsible for questioning a med that may have an interaction with other meds on record, but that's about it.
Today 12:43 PM


au contraire. see http://www.sec.state.ri.us/dar/regdocs/released/pdf/DOH/5042.pdf starting on section 13.11 page 36 through page 45? Especially section 13.11 page 36, section 13.15 page 36, section 13.25 and all of section 1

Squish
 

lya

Senior Member
You have an attorney who is investigating your claim and proceding with a lawsuit. The outcome of your lawsuit is in the future, years from now.

Somewhere along the journey of this lawsuit, your attitude will change.

Since the purpose of your returning to this thread is to insult, harass, and create conflict, perhaps Mary or another moderator will lock your thread.
 
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