Involuntary hospital admission

[TNBSMommy]

I am going to reply to the financial advice offered... My husband is currently paying a substantial hospital bill due to an accident last year. He pays some each month to the bill, the next month, he gets a revised bill. It is not on his credit, I know b/c I saw his credit report just this month. So, my question is, why would you trade a debt for a debt? ESPECIALLY for one with interest? In the long run, you'll be spending a heck of a lot more on that 30k by taking out a loan for it. If you pay a little at a time, the same amount you would pay with a loan, you'll get it paid off.

 

[grugan02]

Yeah, $2500/day is criminal.
I don't think i have a case either. It's my word against the doctor's and of course they won't admit to giving alot of weight to what my girlfriend was saying and of course they'll stand by what they did. A malpractice suit would be very difficult but someone actually mentioned possible false imprisonment and civil rights violations. I doubt it.
I've filed a complaint with the hospital and they haven't gotton back to me, which given the nature of this was kinda predictable.
Unfortunately, doctors are given a lot of discretion and power with this sort of thing and you're totally at their mercy.

 

[grugan02]

Yeah, $2500/day is criminal.
I don't think i have a case either. It's my word against the doctor's and of course they won't admit to giving alot of weight to what my girlfriend was saying and of course they'll stand by what they did. A malpractice suit would be very difficult but someone actually mentioned possible false imprisonment and civil rights violations. I doubt it.
I've filed a complaint with the hospital and they haven't gotton back to me, which given the nature of this was kinda predictable.
Unfortunately, doctors are given a lot of discretion and power with this sort of thing and you're totally at their mercy.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

Yeah, $2500/day is criminal.
I don't think i have a case either. It's my word against the doctor's and of course they won't admit to giving alot of weight to what my girlfriend was saying and of course they'll stand by what they did. A malpractice suit would be very difficult but someone actually mentioned possible false imprisonment and civil rights violations. I doubt it.
I've filed a complaint with the hospital and they haven't gotton back to me, which given the nature of this was kinda predictable.
Unfortunately, doctors are given a lot of discretion and power with this sort of thing and you're totally at their mercy.

PLEASE, PLEASE, quit blaming your girlfriend, it isn't her fault. If you were not suicidal, you would have been released the next day, possibly from the ER, they just don't commit people anymore without reason.

 

[BelizeBreeze]

My stay was 9 days, I think. ALL they did was give me prozac and monitor me. I've taken prozac for a few years and weined myself off around 2 years ago. There is no connection between being off the prozac and this event. But don't I have any rights at all? My girlfriend exaggerated because she was under stress herself. And she admitted to this. In fact, when my family called the psych unit, the nurse mentioned that things didn't appear as bad as the ER docs had said they were.
This just can't be legal. It just can't.

I suggest then you read the New York statutes, starting at S 9.27 Involuntary admission on medical certification. and ending at S 9.39 Emergency admissions for immediate observation, care, and treatment.

Your admissions was perfectly legal.

 

[grugan02]

Yes, taking out a loan doesn't make much sense. Bottom line is that I'm going to fight as hard as I can to get rid of this bill. I't'll take FOREVER to pay 30K and the payments will probably be high and unaffordable so I don't know. But if it's not on your credit, wouldn't people just not pay?

 

[rmet4nzkx]

Why do you ignore what you do not want to hear?

 

[TNBSMommy]

Yes, taking out a loan doesn't make much sense. Bottom line is that I'm going to fight as hard as I can to get rid of this bill. I't'll take FOREVER to pay 30K and the payments will probably be high and unaffordable so I don't know. But if it's not on your credit, wouldn't people just not pay?

It's not on his credit because he is making payments. He pays what he wants or can, they didn't set any payments up, he's just been sending some money in every month.

And when people don't pay they can sue you, get garnishments, which are gonna be alot worse than sending in $100 a month(or whatever you can).

 

[Heather2]

Yes, taking out a loan doesn't make much sense. Bottom line is that I'm going to fight as hard as I can to get rid of this bill. I't'll take FOREVER to pay 30K and the payments will probably be high and unaffordable so I don't know. But if it's not on your credit, wouldn't people just not pay?

It will hurt your credit a little, just not as much as not paying back loans or credit cards. I don't know much about debt collections, maybe someone else does but they would probably sue you for $30,000.

BB seems to know a lot so I would trust him when he says they didn't break any laws.

 

[grugan02]

BB does seem like he knows what he's talking about. But he wasn't there. He didn't hear the tone of the conversation or the questions I was being asked. He didn't see how casually they blew off every last thing I said.
I'm not a person in denial here. Hospital injustice DOES HAPPEN. My girlfriend herself told me the social worker said she would do her best to convince the doctor to commit me. Then my girlfriend admitted that she exagerrated a bit because she "wasn't thinking."
People are falsely accused of things all the time. Some people are put to death for crimes they didn't commit. It's not so out of the ordinary for something like this to happen.
When you're branded with something so serious as suicide, it's nearly impossible to defend yourself.
I'm sure hospitals are given wide discretion with things like this and I really can't prove anything. My plan of action is to pursue the complaint I filed and to contact the Citizens Commission on Human Rights for suggestions. That's all I can do.
I'm not being childish and I certainly didn't "feign" anything. My girlfriend overreacted and got me in trouble. That's just what happened.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

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Get it?

 

[BelizeBreeze]

BB does seem like he knows what he's talking about. But he wasn't there. He didn't hear the tone of the conversation or the questions I was being asked. He didn't see how casually they blew off every last thing I said.
I'm not a person in denial here. Hospital injustice DOES HAPPEN. My girlfriend herself told me the social worker said she would do her best to convince the doctor to commit me. Then my girlfriend admitted that she exagerrated a bit because she "wasn't thinking."
People are falsely accused of things all the time. Some people are put to death for crimes they didn't commit. It's not so out of the ordinary for something like this to happen.
When you're branded with something so serious as suicide, it's nearly impossible to defend yourself.
I'm sure hospitals are given wide discretion with things like this and I really can't prove anything. My plan of action is to pursue the complaint I filed and to contact the Citizens Commission on Human Rights for suggestions. That's all I can do.
I'm not being childish and I certainly didn't "feign" anything. My girlfriend overreacted and got me in trouble. That's just what happened.

And it still doesn't change the fact that you have no case. The moment your girlfriend stated her concern it because a police/medical issue. You were not admitted on your girlfriend's word or your actions but on the strength of observation and the law.

you have no case.

 

[grugan02]

"PLEASE, PLEASE, quit blaming your girlfriend, it isn't her fault. If you were not suicidal, you would have been released the next day, possibly from the ER, they just don't commit people anymore without reason."

You're so convinced I was suicidal, it's kind of pointless even responding to this post. I know myself. I was there that day. I know what happened. YOU DON'T!!
Please give this some thought: If your wife or girlfriend had you taken to an ER and said you were suicidal and you knew you weren't, how would you have defended yourself? Just what would you have said to convince them you were OK, given such serious charges? Stuck? That's what I thought. Anything you say or any way you act can be interpreted as being suicidal.
That's what happened to me.
YOU WEREN'T THERE!! Your post is a complete generalization and you're assuming that other factors aren't involved. This is he said she said. There are doctors who will believe a sobbing girl over a guy, even without knowing much about the situation. This is our society.
ER DO COMMIT PEOPLE, not without reason but certainly on very shaky grounds. They need to protect themselves from liability.
I don't know where you're from but it's just not so out of the ordinary for an injustice to take place.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

"PLEASE, PLEASE, quit blaming your girlfriend, it isn't her fault. If you were not suicidal, you would have been released the next day, possibly from the ER, they just don't commit people anymore without reason."

You're so convinced I was suicidal, it's kind of pointless even responding to this post. I know myself. I was there that day. I know what happened. YOU DON'T!!
Please give this some thought: If your wife or girlfriend had you taken to an ER and said you were suicidal and you knew you weren't, how would you have defended yourself? Just what would you have said to convince them you were OK, given such serious charges? Stuck? That's what I thought. Anything you say or any way you act can be interpreted as being suicidal.
That's what happened to me.
YOU WEREN'T THERE!! Your post is a complete generalization and you're assuming that other factors aren't involved. This is he said she said. There are doctors who will believe a sobbing girl over a guy, even without knowing much about the situation. This is our society.
ER DO COMMIT PEOPLE, not without reason but certainly on very shaky grounds. They need to protect themselves from liability.
I don't know where you're from but it's just not so out of the ordinary for an injustice to take place.

You are talking to yourself.

You are the one with the questions, not me, I don't have to tell you anything. I know how the system works because I work in that field and know what is involved. Your girlfriend may have called the police but the doctors committed you, I have sent seriously disturbed clients to the hospital, who had made attempts and they were out in a day because they knew how to answer the questions. You have demonstrated here that you have some serious problems.

 

[grugan02]

You are talking to yourself.

You are the one with the questions, not me, I don't have to tell you anything. I know how the system works because I work in that field and know what is involved. Your girlfriend may have called the police but the doctors committed you, I have sent seriously disturbed clients to the hospital, who had made attempts and they were out in a day because they knew how to answer the questions. You have demonstrated here that you have some serious problems.

OK, well, that's that. I'll keep you posted things.