Involuntary hospital admission

[rmet4nzkx]

Why don't you get a job?

 

[grugan02]

(sigh)

That's pretty lame buddy.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

(sigh)

That's pretty lame buddy.

Why, it would go a long way towards solving your problems.

 

[grugan02]

I deliberately haven't accepted any job offers. I could be denied medicaid by being employed and making more than the income limits. So, I'm kinda waiting for the outcome to my application before i accept a position.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

I deliberately haven't accepted any job offers. I could be denied medicaid by being employed and making more than the income limits. So, I'm kinda waiting for the outcome to my application before i accept a position.

There is a lot I could say but I won't!

 

[grugan02]

OK, I'll bite, what is it you aren't saying?

 

[Heather2]

I deliberately haven't accepted any job offers. I could be denied medicaid by being employed and making more than the income limits. So, I'm kinda waiting for the outcome to my application before i accept a position.

Why do you need medicaid? I think getting a job would be more important than medicaid.

 

[grugan02]

I need medicaid because i have no insurance.

 

[purple2]

Hi
I used to work in psych in NY and here is my POV.

You do not have a case for a lawsuit based upon the info presented.

Physicians must do their own assessment to determine if you need to be hospitalized against your will. Part of that assessment is asking ancillary sources (your GF) questions, but that is not the entire assessment. The entire assessment is documented in the medical record.

You can file a complaint with the hospital. I can tell you they are most likely NOT going to write off an entire hospital stay. You can tell them your feelings about the physicians, but even if you get them to second-guess the physicians’ clinical judgment, not much will come of it. There is no way to prove now that the physicians acted inappropriately.

On your involuntary hospitalization papers, it states your rights. These rights by regulation must be posted conspicuously on the hospital psych floor as well. You did have rights to appeal, etc. while you were there. If the hospital wished to continue confining you after 72 hrs, you could have asked to have your case brought before a judge. There is another avenue to complain: OMH Customer Relations 1-800-597-8481.

There are no laws limiting the amount hospitals charge AFAIK.

Now onto the cost. One poster suggested making payments to the hospital. That’s all fine and dandy if the hospital agrees to it. Hospitals are not banks and they’re not obligated to let you make payments.

ASAP call the hospital’s billing office and ask to speak to a financial counselor. They will help you wade through your options for getting Medicaid, grants, and/or making payments.

 

[grugan02]

Hi
I used to work in psych in NY and here is my POV.

You do not have a case for a lawsuit based upon the info presented.

Physicians must do their own assessment to determine if you need to be hospitalized against your will. Part of that assessment is asking ancillary sources (your GF) questions, but that is not the entire assessment. The entire assessment is documented in the medical record.

You can file a complaint with the hospital. I can tell you they are most likely NOT going to write off an entire hospital stay. You can tell them your feelings about the physicians, but even if you get them to second-guess the physicians’ clinical judgment, not much will come of it. There is no way to prove now that the physicians acted inappropriately.

On your involuntary hospitalization papers, it states your rights. These rights by regulation must be posted conspicuously on the hospital psych floor as well. You did have rights to appeal, etc. while you were there. If the hospital wished to continue confining you after 72 hrs, you could have asked to have your case brought before a judge. There is another avenue to complain: OMH Customer Relations 1-800-597-8481.

There are no laws limiting the amount hospitals charge AFAIK.

Now onto the cost. One poster suggested making payments to the hospital. That’s all fine and dandy if the hospital agrees to it. Hospitals are not banks and they’re not obligated to let you make payments.

ASAP call the hospital’s billing office and ask to speak to a financial counselor. They will help you wade through your options for getting Medicaid, grants, and/or making payments.

Thanks for the post.

You're right in saying I can't prove anything against the doctors. I've understand that the complaint I filed is futile. The hospital is dragging their feet with this. I went in person about 3 weeks ago and I didn't hear anything. When I called, they didn't return my message and when I did get someone on the phone, the woman rudely said their still haven't received my file for review, which is bs.

Bottom line is that while I'm out of work, medicaid probably won't cover me because my unemployment insurance checks of 1200/month far exceed the 600 somthing dollar maximum income levels. I'm probably looking at bankruptcy if i can't get out of this mess so it's crucial that my complaint is as effective as possible.

Given what I've written in previous posts, what do you think is the best angle to approach this complaint? I'm hoping that I'll get a chance to sit down with the doctors and social workers and voice my complaints. How should I present my case? I want to be very forceful but I can't back up any legal threats. I want them to know how I've been harmed and that I'm researching civil rights and malpractive violations.

You have experience in this area, what would you suggest?

 

[Heather2]

I need medicaid because i have no insurance.

So you're turning down jobs because you want medicaid, which you yourself said you wouldn't get because you make too much money? Do you have a medical condition (other than depression) that requires you to go to the doctor a lot? I think your priorities are a bit off. You said yourself that you are depressed because you don't have a job, so wouldn't getting a job be the best thing for you right now. Besides, most companies offer health insurance once you work for them for a couple of months.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

So you're turning down jobs because you want medicaid, which you yourself said you wouldn't get because you make too much money? Do you have a medical condition (other than depression) that requires you to go to the doctor a lot? I think your priorities are a bit off. You said yourself that you are depressed because you don't have a job, so wouldn't getting a job be the best thing for you right now. Besides, most companies offer health insurance once you work for them for a couple of months.

He want's attention and he wants the taxpayers to pay because he feels entitled, He feels entitled because it wasn't fair, even though he is capable of working, it really looks like he was only looking for a little vacation and sympathy.

 

[grugan02]

ok, I'm looking at a 30k bill. Medicaid probably won't cover me because I collected unemployment insurance in excess of 600 something dollars a month. Or they may cover me on because I'm out of work, have high medical bills, etc. I just don't know. But if i take a job and they would have covered, I risk medicaid saying, now you have a job and can pay this bill yourself. I don't know if this is valid reasoning or not. I know next to nothing about medicaid and I don't know anyone who would know. I'm just trying to put myself in medicaid's shoes.

 

[rmet4nzkx]

ok, I'm looking at a 30k bill. Medicaid probably won't cover me because I collected unemployment insurance in excess of 600 something dollars a month. Or they may cover me on because I'm out of work, have high medical bills, etc. I just don't know. But if i take a job and they would have covered, I risk medicaid saying, now you have a job and can pay this bill yourself. I don't know if this is valid reasoning or not. I know next to nothing about medicaid and I don't know anyone who would know. I'm just trying to put myself in medicaid's shoes.

You may lose your unemployment for not actively seeking employment or turning down jobs which would disqualify you for medicaid coverage. Essentially you are intent on committing medicaid fraud and attempting to manipulate us into aiding and abetting you, which we will not do. You are not so depressed at this point that you cannot work, you are not employed because you refuse to be responsible for your debts. Get a job!

 

[Heather2]

Tell us how you really feel rmet.