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Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
I would have to agree. There is no semantic difference between "You are a liar" and "You told a lie".

of course, "You are a liar" will strike a much deeper nerve...but that doesn't change the meaning.
 

kaizen

Member
If we accept that, then we are all liars

Every single one of us are liars. Anyone passed the age of two has told a lie.

I've also behaved like an a**hole. Does that mean I am an a**hole. I don't think so. When I was younger, I stole gum from my sister. Does that mean I'm a thief? I don't think so.

On the flip side, once I found a twenty dollar bill. I asked around the laundry mat and gave it back to the person who claimed to have lost it. Does that singular act make me an honest person? I don't think so.
 

gam

Senior Member
We have all made mistakes, yep she told a lie, yep that makes her a liar, however it does not condemn her to be a liar for the rest of her life. Split situations are difficult, lots of emotions, most have no clue to what they are doing when they start out. They make mistakes, they seek advice when they realize they make those mistakes. Or they seek advice cause they assume the other parent is the only one who made mistakes. Great that we point out what their mistakes have been to, however no reason to condemn them forever.

That is what she is doing here. In her case, she can fix this with little damage to the child since the child is only 3 years old. I urge OP to fix this now, the older the child gets the harder to fix and the more damage done. The child deserves the truth, the truth is always better coming from the parent. It is a for sure that down the road someone will spill the beans to the child, I have never seen a case where that did not happen. Most often it is the loving boyfriend/girlfriend or spouse who steps up and then when that crumbles they let the cat out of the bag to get back at the childs parent.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I'm sorry, what does any of this garbage have to do with the actual LEGAL question asked?
I answered the legal question asked as well as how she can serve while pointing out she is a big, fat liar. People took offense to my calling her a liar based on her post. Oh well. That is on THEM. Not on me. They can deal with it. OP got the legal answer with a serving of truth. Whether she decides to deal is on HER!
 

mmmagique

Member
Liar is a fact. The OP has LIED to her child in very elemental, essential, basic ways. Liar is not calling her name. It is explaining what she is based on her actions. She lied. A person who lies is a LIAR. It is just that simple.
And you have never in your life lied once? Seriously, if you can find me the person who has never lied over any issue in their entire life, I'd be interested in meeting that person.

As I stated, name calling is only inflammatory and not at all helpful. I know you'll continue to do so, but my post was to the OP, letting her know that it's ok to take the info that she needs without taking the rest of it to heart.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
And you have never in your life lied once? Seriously, if you can find me the person who has never lied over any issue in their entire life, I'd be interested in meeting that person.

As I stated, name calling is only inflammatory and not at all helpful. I know you'll continue to do so, but my post was to the OP, letting her know that it's ok to take the info that she needs without taking the rest of it to heart.
Have you ever seen a child who has been lied to regarding her paternity? have you ever dealt with that fallout? I have. MY GAL cases are pathetic. I have had quite a few children lied to about their paternity and that screwed them up majorly resulting in RAD, trust issues and various other major problems. Why? Because their parent LIED. Their parent put their own wants and needs before them. Their parent screwed them over. Truthfully, she needs to take to heart the damage she may have caused her child by lying about the child's paternity. Unless she wants to screw her child over even more. Then she can continue being a pathetic fricking liar. End of story. This mother -- what? -- she is all sweetness and light, right? She didn't MEAN to lie. She didn't mean to do anything wrong? Sorry but she made a choice. A PATHETIC, stupid decision which can totally screw her child over for quite a while and result in trust issues. I have seen it happen. How many children have you dealt with who have been lied to regarding their paternity? I have encountered and represented a half dozen if not more. So angel mom in this thread? She needs to realize how hellish her choice actually is and deal with it.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Have you ever seen a child who has been lied to regarding her paternity? have you ever dealt with that fallout? I have. MY GAL cases are pathetic. I have had quite a few children lied to about their paternity and that screwed them up majorly resulting in RAD, trust issues and various other major problems. Why? Because their parent LIED. Their parent put their own wants and needs before them. Their parent screwed them over. Truthfully, she needs to take to heart the damage she may have caused her child by lying about the child's paternity. Unless she wants to screw her child over even more. Then she can continue being a pathetic fricking liar. End of story. This mother -- what? -- she is all sweetness and light, right? She didn't MEAN to lie. She didn't mean to do anything wrong? Sorry but she made a choice. A PATHETIC, stupid decision which can totally screw her child over for quite a while and result in trust issues. I have seen it happen. How many children have you dealt with who have been lied to regarding their paternity? I have encountered and represented a half dozen if not more. So angel mom in this thread? She needs to realize how hellish her choice actually is and deal with it.
I understand how strongly you feel about this particular subject...and you have every right to feel strongly about it, because you, more than anyone else sees first hand the damage it can cause to children. However, your delivery doesn't get the results that you want. Your delivery turns posters away from your message.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I understand how strongly you feel about this particular subject...and you have every right to feel strongly about it, because you, more than anyone else sees first hand the damage it can cause to children. However, your delivery doesn't get the results that you want. Your delivery turns posters away from your message.
Really? OH. I am so sorry.

OP, I am so sorry that you are in truth denial. I am so sorry for the pain that you having sex with some one who impregnated you put you in. I feel so bad about the fact that that act of sex resulted in a child. I have SO MUCH feeling regarding how you must feel having sex with someone, getting pregnant, having the child, then not telling the child about who impregnated you and resulted in their last name.

I feel so bad about that......

Yeah. No. My delivery turns posters away? Maybe THE POSTER should be turned away by their actions, their reactions and the damage they do to their child. Hey LD, until you deal with what I have dealt with, go back to plugging in numbers to the IRS worksheet. GOT IT? Because I deal with the children whose parents are moronic, pathetic liars and decide that they will take the easier route rather than the truth. This OP is a liar. Until she decides to own up to her fricking lies, she doesn't deserve sympathy. HER CHILD deserves any and all sympathy. Got t?
 

kaizen

Member
Really? OH. I am so sorry.

OP, I am so sorry that you are in truth denial. I am so sorry for the pain that you having sex with some one who impregnated you put you in. I feel so bad about the fact that that act of sex resulted in a child. I have SO MUCH feeling regarding how you must feel having sex with someone, getting pregnant, having the child, then not telling the child about who impregnated you and resulted in their last name.

I feel so bad about that......

Yeah. No. My delivery turns posters away? Maybe THE POSTER should be turned away by their actions, their reactions and the damage they do to their child. Hey LD, until you deal with what I have dealt with, go back to plugging in numbers to the IRS worksheet. GOT IT? Because I deal with the children whose parents are moronic, pathetic liars and decide that they will take the easier route rather than the truth. This OP is a liar. Until she decides to own up to her fricking lies, she doesn't deserve sympathy. HER CHILD deserves any and all sympathy. Got t?
Seriously? Around the internet, this kind of talk is what's commonly referred to as cyber-bullying. Why isn't it here? Why is it allowed to happen here?


I wish you'd grow up, OG. While your message may be spot-on, your delivery sucks.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Really? OH. I am so sorry.

OP, I am so sorry that you are in truth denial. I am so sorry for the pain that you having sex with some one who impregnated you put you in. I feel so bad about the fact that that act of sex resulted in a child. I have SO MUCH feeling regarding how you must feel having sex with someone, getting pregnant, having the child, then not telling the child about who impregnated you and resulted in their last name.

I feel so bad about that......

Yeah. No. My delivery turns posters away? Maybe THE POSTER should be turned away by their actions, their reactions and the damage they do to their child. Hey LD, until you deal with what I have dealt with, go back to plugging in numbers to the IRS worksheet. GOT IT? Because I deal with the children whose parents are moronic, pathetic liars and decide that they will take the easier route rather than the truth. This OP is a liar. Until she decides to own up to her fricking lies, she doesn't deserve sympathy. HER CHILD deserves any and all sympathy. Got t?
Who said she deserved sympathy? I am sorry that you cannot see the difference between telling someone where they went wrong, and bullying. I am sorry that you cannot see that bullying makes them ignore your message.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
And you have never in your life lied once? Seriously, if you can find me the person who has never lied over any issue in their entire life, I'd be interested in meeting that person.

As I stated, name calling is only inflammatory and not at all helpful. I know you'll continue to do so, but my post was to the OP, letting her know that it's ok to take the info that she needs without taking the rest of it to heart.
What OP did went way over a lie. What she did, if
not addressed soon, will cause a horrible harm to her child. She is old enough to birth 2 children and doesn't know if the oldest has a BC? How does that happen? Strange.
 

Just Blue

Senior Member
Seriously? Around the internet, this kind of talk is what's commonly referred to as cyber-bullying. Why isn't it here? Why is it allowed to happen here?


I wish you'd grow up, OG. While your message may be spot-on, your delivery sucks.
I find YOUR comment to be a bit "bullying". Why hasn't the Admin stopped YOU?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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