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daddenied

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PLEASE READ-My declaration to be filed b4 hearing

Hello Miss Met and Casa. It's me and my girl together now. :D We couldn't get a hold of the paralegal, but will try to get this declaration to her some time Monday afernoon and possibly Tuesday morning. We may be forced to have my girl take it up early Monday morning and then serve my ex...we'll see. We know...we are late, :eek: but could not reach her. We did want to run this by you. This is what is on the declaration...it's pretty long as we are rookies and wanted to make sure we didn't miss anything. :eek: Here goes...We know it's the weekend, but if any of you are on before tomorrow night, PLEASE give us feedback. Otherwise, if you read this Monday we will already have sent it out in hopes it was okay. :)

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The Respondent makes the following declarations to address all points that the Petitioner includes in her responsive declaration received on Sept. 7, 2005. Each of her paragraphs is addressed numerically in this declaration.

The Respondent would like the courts to make note of the fact that Petitioner’s response was not filed within the required time frame noted on the Notice of Motion (Form FL-301-Revised July 1, 2005) served her on Aug. 3, 2005 stating “In the absence of an order shortening time, the original of the responsive declaration must be filed with the court and a copy served on the other party at least 9 court days before the hearing date. Add five calendar days if you serve by mail within California.” 9 court days prior to the hearing would have been Aug. 31, 2005 and after adding 5 calendar days it would have had to have been filed and served to the Respondent no later than Aug. 26, 2005. According to the case file history, the Petitioner’s proof of service is dated Aug. 31. 2005 and her responsive declaration and proof of service were filed on Sept. 2, 2005. A copy of her responsive declaration was not received by the Respondent until Sept. 7th, 5 court days prior to the hearing.


1) On July 1st, Petitioner stated that she had already checked with CYS regarding therapeutic supervised visitation and that their agency was open on Saturdays 8a-8p to provide this service as well as on holidays. Petitioner would have known that CYS does not offer therapeutic supervised visitations to children over the age of 8 had she simply looked up their web site at www.cysfresno.org and read through their services offered. (See Attachment A). Respondent called CYS and emailed CYS for information and was told that they do provide therapeutic supervised visitations, but

a) not on Saturdays

b) there was a 4-month waiting list for those who needed to be billed on a sliding scale fee/the cost would be $30 a session at that time

c) for immediate consideration for the services the Respondent would have to attend an assessment and orientation only held on week days and it would cost $50 a session/sessions were only held Mon-Fri. 9-5pm. (See Attachment B-also included in original motion)

Petitioner was not only informed of these facts regarding CYS' inability to provide the court ordered service on Saturdays in numerous e-mail contacts from Respondent (See Attachment C), but from several messages left on her home answering machine. Respondent has asked her to bring the children to (my chosen agency) to see Mr. (therapist) in order to immediately start the necessary
Counseling and that it would be the right thing to do in the best interest of the children.


2) Respondent asks that the Petitioner's response citing the Uniform Standards of Practice Providers of Supervised Visitation set forth in section 26.2 of the California Standards of Judicial Administration Uniform Standards [Section 26.2(d)(2)] be stricken as it has been superceded by CA Rule 1257.1, HIPAA (See Attachment D) and no intake assessment is required of the Petitioner as she is not court ordered for therapy nor is she privy to the contents of Respondent's therapy.

3) It was appropriate that Mr. (therapist) did not communicate with the Petitioner as she is not a party to the therapy ordered. The July 1st court order requires that she is simply responsible to present the children to the counseling agency on the scheduled days and times. To respond to the Petitioner would have been an HIPAA violation on the part of Mr. (therapist)

4) Again, CYS’ session fees are actually $50 a session for immediate week day only therapy sessions. Respondent requests that Petitioner be responsible to pay for all visits thus far as well as all future therapeutic visitations, including additional travel costs from L.A. County to Fresno County every week. Respondent requests that he be allowed to pick up the children from their home every Saturday that a therapy session is scheduled as well as allow an extra hour after therapy to spend with them due to the delay Petitioner has caused in the therapy sessions before dropping them back off at their home. Due to the Petitioner purposely delaying therapeutic visitations with children and Respondent, the Respondent requests to be allowed regular visitation for the Thanksgiving and Christmas Holiday as proposed (See Attachment E). Prior to Petitioner's denying visitation after the Summer of 2004 visit the children had in L.A. County with Respondent, all visits with children and Respondent occurred with no supervision and without incident. If the courts feel that regular visitations should not start until after all 12 sessions are completed, the Respondent requests that the supervisors for holiday supervised visits be his parents, (parents names) and/or his brother and sister-in-law, (their names). All parties have agreed to this and have signed letters stating so. (See Attachment F) Respondent requests that the Petitioner be required to drop off and pick up children during these holiday visitations from the Respondent's home in Long Beach or his parents home in Moreno Valley as outlined in the proposed holiday visitation. Respondent has traveled to Fresno every week that the court ordered therapy sessions were to take place to (my chosen agency) each time asking Petitioner to compromise due to CYS not being able to accommodate the court order and bring the children so that the healing could begin. Respondent asks that Petitioner bear all the costs of travel until his time on the road and expenses have been made up with holiday visits and any further visits ordered starting Jan. 2006.

5) There are no past incidents on record of Domestic Violence or abuse in the family, thus no cause for requiring a female therapist. Mr. therapist is qualified to provide the therapeutic visitations. (See Attachment G). The Respondent was surprised to find out in late June 2005 only through the Petitioner’s Responsive Declaration for the July 1st hearing that she had employed a LCSW, (therapists name) to treat their oldest child, (sons name)in some sort of therapy and counseling from Apr. 2003-Apr. 2004. All this was done without any knowledge or consent given by the Respondent to administer treatment of any kind. The letter that was presented to the Respondent in June 2005 was dated Apr. 2004 and simply mentioned that (sons name) was in counseling for reasons associated with distress and anxiety stemming from his parent’s recent divorce (Filed Dec. 2002) and anxiety about visitation with the Respondent. Again, the Petitioner has a history of keeping important information from the Respondent in her attempt to alienate the children from him. Miss (therapist) has refused any and all requests from the Respondent for all
documents pertaining to (son’s name) treatment under her care. Respondent has recently on Sept. 7th sent another letter asking for “Photocopies of the paperwork for all check-ups, inoculations, emergency treatment, therapy sessions and any other paperwork (including all bills, statements, as well as records of all payments received for serviced rendered him) that has been and will be sent to (sons name) primary residence (their mother, (my ex's) ). Due to her refusal, Respondent is in the process of subpoenaing all of these documents for another motion re: contempt against the Petitioner for many other violations she has committed from the original divorce decree to the most recent July 1st court order. Respondent has also already signed a waiver and release with Mr. (therapist) for him to obtain (sons name) records in preparation for the actual therapeutic supervised visits to start.

The boys have no problem with male authority figures such as coaches or teachers. Respondent has spoken with their male teachers and their male coaches who have all confirmed this and state they will do so in writing if required by the courts.


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daddenied

Member
Declaration continued...

6) Respondent requests that the courts review his weekly and work schedules as well as all of the children's weekly schedules which prevents all parties (Respondent and children) to attend week day therapeutic supervised visitation at CYS. (See Attachment H) Saturday sessions were agreed upon due to the distance Respondent lives, works and attends school (See Attachment I). Also, due to it being determined unreasonable to have him travel during the week for such visitation. Saturday sessions were also agreed upon due to Petitioner stating the children were very busy with their own athletic activities around school which started Aug. 22nd. Respondent checked all boys schedules with their respective sporting programs prior to July 1st and saw that they would all be available on the Saturdays ordered for therapeutic supervised visitation.

Respondent believes that the Petitioner had no intentions of ever having the children attend any scheduled therapeutic supervised visitations with him. This has been evident in all of the Petitioner's actions since the July 1st hearing through the present date.

a) Petitioner falsely stated to the judge on July 1st that the "boys" had an out of town basketball tournament the weekend of July 8th-July 10th and it was to be held in Sacramento, although the calendar furnished to the Respondent from the Petitioner prior to that hearing noted nothing of the sort. The judge pro tem then ordered after finding out Respondent has some Fridays off during the summer that the "boys" would see him Fri. July 8th in the morning before leaving for Sacramento. Petitioner failed to mention that only 1 of the 4 sons played basketball during the summer months and also seemed to concoct the entire July 8th-July 10th Sacramento tournament in an attempt to further delay therapy with the Respondent. Respondent had been in contact with a fellow basketball player's mother, (mom's name) who stated that as of July 6th, there had been no tournament scheduled the weekend of July 8th-July 10th...it was a free weekend for the boys. (See Attachment I)

b) Petitioner had originally claimed at the July 1st hearing that the children would be unavailable for therapy with Respondent from July 22nd through Aug. 14th due to a summer trip to visit with her parents in another state. (Those dates would've contributed to 4 Saturday therapy sessions missed). After the judge pro tem expressed some discomfort with her statement/request, the Petitioner relented stating she would delay their trip a couple of days to allow visitation with Respondent on Fri. July 22nd (one of the two ordered Friday therapy days-Respondent had Fridays off through Aug. 5th) & that she would bring them home a couple of days sooner in order for them to attend therapy with Respondent on Sat. Aug. 13th as ordered by the courts.

c) Petitioner failed to mention that their 2nd son, (sons name) was leaving the state of California for Nevada and Florida on July 21st through Aug. 3rd-a trip planned by the basketball program since May 2005 and never mentioned to the Respondent. Respondent believes the Petitioner had no intention to ever bring the children to any scheduled therapy sessions especially since she did not reveal the basketball trip that would've had one son gone and missing an ordered session. Having one son gone was important enough for Petitioner to state on July 1st that they all could not attend therapy with Respondent Sat. July 16th due to this same child being on a road trip to L.A. County for a basketball tournament.

d) Even after both Respondent and Petitioner received letters from CYS (a copy is included in the original motion) stating that they could not accommodate the court order as well as receiving a copy of the letter in the motion that was served on her Aug. 3, 2005, the Petitioner continues to reply to all of Respondent’s pleas to have the children attend session with him and Mr. therapist by sending the same emailed text which states:

“ You may consider my reminders harassment, but until you schedule your appointment with CYS, your continued posturing does nothing to rectify your relationship with the children. I recommend that you stop playing games and wasting time and redirect your energies to repairing your relationship with the boys. The boys WILL NOT be attending any unsanctioned sessions with Mr. (therapist). The court order states that the mother shall select said provider. I have chosen CYS and again recommend that you contact them to set up your orientation. Comprehensive Youth Services”

e) As the Custodial parent, Petitioner has made no efforts to have the children contact their father as she had promised she would in an amicable conversation both parties had in Jan. 2005 prior to the last visitation Respondent was allowed to see his children. Petitioner often times either has her answering machine off to ensure Respondent cannot leave a message for her or the children and/or has her computer connected on line, again another obstacle to any persons calling in as the response is a continuous ring over the phone. Petitioner seems to make no effort in helping the Respondent to “repair his relationship with the boys” as she states in almost every email correspondence since July 1st.

Respondent is requesting that the courts require the Petitioner to a court mandated, 52 week state Anger Management program to deal with issues that have contributed to her actions stated above. The Petitioner is encompassed with hate and jealousy as well as insecure feelings about her weight, bad back and her low self esteem and self worth issues she has struggled with for years. The Respondent believes the Petitioner is driven by her rage and blinded jealousy with his choice of companion/significant other (almost 16 months now) whom prior to the last 16 months had been friends with for several years. Petitioner has a history of hate and jealousy in reference to Respondent’s companion. (See Attachment J) Respondent is concerned that the Petitioner will lose control of all of her emotions if not addressed in a proper mental health and counseling environment. Petitioner has her own medical insurance and Respondent requests she be responsible to bear all costs of her own therapy. Respondent fears that if Petitioner is not required to complete an Anger Management program she will continue to violate parts of the court orders, she will continue to tell half truths even under oath as she has done on July 1st, she will continue to alienate the children from their father and her negative influence which seems to have no bearing on what is in the best interest of our children will have a lasting effect on the children in their future.

-----------------------------------------------------------------Okay, we know this is long and probably needs a lot of fixing, so if any of you are around, we'd love any feedback.

I don't plan on reading this whole thing in court on Wed. I do have an outline and will hit each point that is relevant, but wanted the judge to see all of this in the declaration. We will take copies on Wed. and will try to have her served in person on Tuesday at her job.

Thank you.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
I don't know if I am covering everything, but you have basically covered the answers here is a little more.

When refering to the petitioner's actions change "would" to "would or should have", also be sure to include the best interest of the children in the statements re respondent's requests.

1) On July 1st, Petitioner stated that she had already checked with CYS regarding therapeutic supervised visitation and that their agency was open on Saturdays 8a-8p to provide this service as well as on holidays. Petitioner would or should have known that CYS does not offer therapeutic supervised visitations to children over the age of 8 had she simply looked up their web site at www.cysfresno.org and read through their services offered. (See Attachment
Possibly add, "Petitioner seems to be confused between the concepts of "supervised visitation" and " Therapeutic supervised visitaitons" and using this as a means to further prevent visitation or relationship between Respondent and his children.
(From CYS website)
Supervised Visits & Exchanges: Comprehensive Youth Services offers a safe, neutral environment for children to visit with their non-custodial parent or to be exchanged between parents for visitation purposes. Supervised visits and exchanges are available weekdays, weekends, and holidays. (Not what Petitioner asked for)

Therapeutic Supervised Visitation: This program targets at-risk children, aged 2-8 years, who have been exposed to child abuse, neglect, and domestic violence or are at-risk for attachment disorders. Through observation, instruction, modeling, counseling and analysis by a licensed therapist, the child receives needed therapy and the parent and child are assisted in repairing and strengthening their relationship. (What Petitioner asked for but not appropriate for the ages and situation of the children.)
Program Managers Are:
* Lisa Brott, LCSW
Program Manager
(From bbs site)
Name Type Number Status Address City Zip County Actions?
BROTT LISA MARIE LCS 16870 CLEAR 3795 E SHIELDS AVE FRESNO 93726 FRESNO No
BOARD OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES
Licensee Name: BROTT LISA MARIE
License Type: LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER
License Number: 16870
License Status: CLEAR
Expiration Date: September 30, 2007
Issue Date: March 15, 1994
Address: 3795 E SHIELDS AVE
City: FRESNO
State: CA
Zip: 93726
County: FRESNO
Actions: No
Related Licenses/Registrations/Permits
No records returned
Public Disclosure
No records returned
BROTT LISA MARIE ASW 1898 CANCELLED FRESNO No
Records 1 to 2
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* Amy Parks
Lead Therapist

Search Results for Licensed Clinical Social Workers (Licensees, Associates)
Name Type Number Status Address City Zip County Actions?
PARKS AMY RUTH ASW 13081 DELINQUENT 3795 E SHIELDS FRESNO 93726 FRESNO No
BOARD OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES

Licensee Name: PARKS AMY RUTH
License Type: REGISTERED ASSOCIATE SOCIAL WORKER
License Number: 13081
License Status: DELINQUENT
Expiration Date: July 31, 2004
Issue Date: July 25, 2001
Address: 3795 E SHIELDS
City: FRESNO
State: CA
Zip: 93726
County: FRESNO
Actions: No
Related Licenses/Registrations/Permits
No records returned
Public Disclosure
No records returned

PARKS AMY RUTH LCS 22207 CLEAR 3795 E SHIELDS FRESNO 93726 FRESNO No
BOARD OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES
Licensee Name: PARKS AMY RUTH
License Type: LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER
License Number: 22207
License Status: CLEAR
Expiration Date: February 28, 2006
Issue Date: July 22, 2004
Address: 3795 E SHIELDS
City: FRESNO
State: CA
Zip: 93726
County: FRESNO
Actions: No
Related Licenses/Registrations/Permits

Number Name Type Status Actions
13071 WALKER CHRISTINE ANNE REGISTERED ASSOCIATE SOCIAL WORKER CANCELLED No
Public Disclosure
No records returned
Records 1 to 2

BOARD OF BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES

Licensee Name: WALKER CHRISTINE ANNE
License Type: REGISTERED ASSOCIATE SOCIAL WORKER
License Number: 13071
License Status: CANCELLED Definition
Expiration Date: July 31, 2005
Issue Date: July 25, 2001
County: SACRAMENTO
Actions: No

Number Name Type Status Actions
22207 PARKS AMY RUTH LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER CLEAR No
Public Disclosure
No records returned
http://www.bbs.ca.gov/

Their LEAD THERAPIST of 9 total licensed has only been licensed 1 year and not even qualified to be a clinical supervisor of the interns and seems to have undergone some sort of identity change in the last few years. Not sure what this means but could be used to further qualify your therapist.
5 female LCSW 1 male LCSW 3 female ASW 1 male ASW (INTERNS)
1 male licensed MFC, 2 Licensed female MFC 3. female IMF (interns)
there seems to be a bias towards female licensed counselors 2 male, 7 female.

I will go over this again later with more suggestions.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
daddenied said:
Okay, I have a meeting to attend at church and will check later. THANK YOU!
OK, I just noticed that it looks like she looked at the CYS site and picked and chose from the different programs to come up with her demands and was trying to make it dificult and expensive, states it doesn't take insurance, even supervised exchanges are $30 each, the STV program doesn't have an orientation another program does and so on, also the "Lead therapist" for their counseling and program for sexual youth offenders is only an intern.

In addition to asking for her to attend a AM program, you might also ask that she attend at her expense CYS's (from CYS site)
Successful Single Parenting: Consider the Children

This program is designed for parents going through a separation or divorce. Over a six week period the program examines the needs of children during and after the break-up of a marriage or relationship. This class helps parents learn how to better share parental responsibilities. Classes are two hours long once a week for six weeks.

Who is eligible for this program?
Any parent eighteen years of age or older may enroll in the class. This class is also sometimes required by the court system as a condition of divorce/custody proceedings........
October 15, 2005 December 3, 2005 10:00-12:00 a.m. Saturday (a session starts 9-14-5 but that would not be enough time)
This could be very educational for her.

It is unlikely that there will be a therapeutic breakthrough regarding her attitude but getting the court's attention is important.

You may want to make a point that during the time that she promised the children would be available for therapy on either end of the visit with their grandparents, they were sent to visit the grandparents the entire time and they also refused to all you to communicate with your children.
 

daddenied

Member
Wish us luck...thank you!!!

Okay (it's daddenied's girl now :) ) and we added what you suggested and the paralegal is going to file it Tuesday morning and will either serve his ex in person at her job on Tuesday or through the mail in Fresno. We will pick up filed copies from her Wed. morning and have copies for his ex and the judge pro tem (yes, there is another judge pro tem and we pray it is the same judge that heard the July 1st hearing as she was the judge pro tem that was lied to). We SO appreciate all you have done for daddenied and will update you when we get back on Wednesday. Daddenied's work would not allow him the time off for us to spend the rest of the week there so he could meet teachers and coaches, etc... besides the fact that we really don't have the money to be there. IF he is granted immediate start of these sessions to start Sat. the 17th, he will be able to see his children for the first time in visitation of any kind in 8 months. He is nervous and feels as if his children hate him and me. I'm sure they hate me NOW after a year of horrible things said by their mother and that they hear he loves me and not them, etc...etc... I think I can deal with that more than I can deal with the hurt they and/or their mother continue to inflict upon him. I am confident that once they start therapy they will be able to start the healing and clear up all miscommunications and misunderstandings between them and daddenied. We'll update you when we get back from Fresno. Good night.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
daddenied said:
Okay (it's daddenied's girl now :) ) and we added what you suggested and the paralegal is going to file it Tuesday morning and will either serve his ex in person at her job on Tuesday or through the mail in Fresno. We will pick up filed copies from her Wed. morning and have copies for his ex and the judge pro tem (yes, there is another judge pro tem and we pray it is the same judge that heard the July 1st hearing as she was the judge pro tem that was lied to). We SO appreciate all you have done for daddenied and will update you when we get back on Wednesday. Daddenied's work would not allow him the time off for us to spend the rest of the week there so he could meet teachers and coaches, etc... besides the fact that we really don't have the money to be there. IF he is granted immediate start of these sessions to start Sat. the 17th, he will be able to see his children for the first time in visitation of any kind in 8 months. He is nervous and feels as if his children hate him and me. I'm sure they hate me NOW after a year of horrible things said by their mother and that they hear he loves me and not them, etc...etc... I think I can deal with that more than I can deal with the hurt they and/or their mother continue to inflict upon him. I am confident that once they start therapy they will be able to start the healing and clear up all miscommunications and misunderstandings between them and daddenied. We'll update you when we get back from Fresno. Good night.
Don't forget if there are questions about what happened in court or the orders, that the attempts to order the transcripts have not been successful, also that the petitioner should not be allowed to write the order if she has in the past.

Hopefully by the time the papers are filed on Tuesday, they will get into the file, it is the earliest that this was possible and due to the lateness of Petitioner's response. It is best that the paralegal serve mom, so you or DeniedDad can't be blamed and it is poetic justice that most likely she won't receive them until after the hearing and will have to think on her feet getting them in court, a strategy, not unheard of in court ;) but one she brought on herself. Hopefully what ever judge has this on calendar will have time to read it before court.

Does DeniedDad have a court date for the contempt filings?

Hopefully, time in therapy along with additional time with the boys will help them see that their dad didn't abandon them. I think they will know because he went out of his way to see the one he could at his basketball game. It wouldn't hurt to let them know how many times he took time off from work, called, sent cards, came to and elsewhere, to visit and they were not there, nor was he told there was any problem. He doesn't have to mention that mom denied him visitation, just the end result, and the visits he had were due to extraordinary intervention. It won't hurt to let them know that the courts move very slowly, but most of all he misses them very much.

Good luck! :)
 

daddenied

Member
dilemma with filing...

Hello...it's daddenied girl again. I took a short day at work because this morning the paralegal who is helping us emailed me and told me her runner will actually only be here today and Wednesday. She suggested that I email her the declaration and attachments, but I replied saying that I have hard copies with his actual signature and no scanner, so I wanted to fax it to her. I am waiting on her reply while I run some errands and run over to Kinkos to fax the declaration to her in the meantime. I also explained that the court forms are non-saveable so IF I were to fax them from my laptop, which is possible, I would have to retype each page of the declaration and fax it to her from my laptop as if I am printing, which is the only way it will save anything temporarily on a court form. Although, still it will not have his signature on it. She said she would file it today and mail it to his ex and file proof of service as well. I'm going to fax it anyway, but just wondered if it would be acceptable. At this point and time, we're pretty desperate since the plans changes at the last minute. I already emailed the paralegal all the attachments, but it is the actual declarations on the actual court forms that I am having trouble understanding how she is asking for emailed copies. Hmmm...Okay, thank you again for everything...will keep you posted.
 

casa

Senior Member
daddenied said:
Hello...it's daddenied girl again. I took a short day at work because this morning the paralegal who is helping us emailed me and told me her runner will actually only be here today and Wednesday. She suggested that I email her the declaration and attachments, but I replied saying that I have hard copies with his actual signature and no scanner, so I wanted to fax it to her. I am waiting on her reply while I run some errands and run over to Kinkos to fax the declaration to her in the meantime. I also explained that the court forms are non-saveable so IF I were to fax them from my laptop, which is possible, I would have to retype each page of the declaration and fax it to her from my laptop as if I am printing, which is the only way it will save anything temporarily on a court form. Although, still it will not have his signature on it. She said she would file it today and mail it to his ex and file proof of service as well. I'm going to fax it anyway, but just wondered if it would be acceptable. At this point and time, we're pretty desperate since the plans changes at the last minute. I already emailed the paralegal all the attachments, but it is the actual declarations on the actual court forms that I am having trouble understanding how she is asking for emailed copies. Hmmm...Okay, thank you again for everything...will keep you posted.
Some people use their e-mail to eFAX.

A FAX is fine...the paperwork can be filed by her as long as a copy of the one signed is available- she can write where Dad signs 'signature by Fax'.

Don't worry, sounds like the paralegal will have it done correctly.

Let us know what happens tomorrow, ok?
 

daddenied

Member
Thanks! I feel silly for being so worried about the fax and email issue. :eek: I confirmed with the paralegal that all was received and paperwork filed today and served. I did have one question. Daddenied and I spoke briefly today and wanted to know if you all think that when he is in court Wed. and requests that his ex enroll in the Single Parenting Program at CYS if he should also tell the judge pro tem (another temp judge will hear the case) that he is willing to take the PACT (Parents and Children Together) here in LA County as well. It's a 3 hour seminar/class for parents who are separated, divorcing or already divorced and helps parents here in LA separate personal issues from their children, communicate more effectively with the other parent and a bunch of other good stuff. Daddenied said he has no problem as lon as LA Family Law Division allows him to take it even though his case is in Fresno. We searched all other similar programs in the LA County and even Riverside County where he works, but there really is nothing comparable to the PACT program which seems to address the same things CYS' program does, just a much shorter period. What do you think? We both agreed that his ex would say she wants him to take one too and we want to be a step ahead of her and inform the judge that he has already looked into the program and willing to do this too. Make sense? Alrighty, I gotta get to my own work now. :) I'm sure daddenied will get on tonight after he gets out of school.
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
daddenied said:
Thanks! I feel silly for being so worried about the fax and email issue. :eek: I confirmed with the paralegal that all was received and paperwork filed today and served. I did have one question. Daddenied and I spoke briefly today and wanted to know if you all think that when he is in court Wed. and requests that his ex enroll in the Single Parenting Program at CYS if he should also tell the judge pro tem (another temp judge will hear the case) that he is willing to take the PACT (Parents and Children Together) here in LA County as well. It's a 3 hour seminar/class for parents who are separated, divorcing or already divorced and helps parents here in LA separate personal issues from their children, communicate more effectively with the other parent and a bunch of other good stuff. Daddenied said he has no problem as lon as LA Family Law Division allows him to take it even though his case is in Fresno. We searched all other similar programs in the LA County and even Riverside County where he works, but there really is nothing comparable to the PACT program which seems to address the same things CYS' program does, just a much shorter period. What do you think? We both agreed that his ex would say she wants him to take one too and we want to be a step ahead of her and inform the judge that he has already looked into the program and willing to do this too. Make sense? Alrighty, I gotta get to my own work now. :) I'm sure daddenied will get on tonight after he gets out of school.
That is an excellent idea to take a similar class in LA CO.
 

daddenied

Member
I will be in class tonight and plan on getting right to bed as we are leaving early in the morning tomorrow for Fresno. I want to be there several hours before and be ready. The LA PACT program sounds great and my girlfriend has been trying to get a hold of someone there, but their number seems to only be an information line, so when we get back I will definitely go and ask if I can sign up and take it. Thank you Miss Met and Casa for everything! Whatever happens tomorrow, I will be sure to update you.
 

Rushia

Senior Member
daddenied said:
I will be in class tonight and plan on getting right to bed as we are leaving early in the morning tomorrow for Fresno. I want to be there several hours before and be ready. The LA PACT program sounds great and my girlfriend has been trying to get a hold of someone there, but their number seems to only be an information line, so when we get back I will definitely go and ask if I can sign up and take it. Thank you Miss Met and Casa for everything! Whatever happens tomorrow, I will be sure to update you.
While I wasn't able to help you, I did follow your threads. I wanted to wish you luck!!! Bring us back some good news!! Good Luck, I will keep my fingers crossed and you in my prayers!
 

casa

Senior Member
daddenied said:
I will be in class tonight and plan on getting right to bed as we are leaving early in the morning tomorrow for Fresno. I want to be there several hours before and be ready. The LA PACT program sounds great and my girlfriend has been trying to get a hold of someone there, but their number seems to only be an information line, so when we get back I will definitely go and ask if I can sign up and take it. Thank you Miss Met and Casa for everything! Whatever happens tomorrow, I will be sure to update you.
Good Luck! Don't forget to update us tomorrow!
 
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