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If the father has sole custody, it's his decision where his child will live, end of story. If she's going to live with a French family and she's already learning the basics of French in her current school, it's safe to assume that she can do well if she tries. If she moves there and sits around reading American books and watching American TV, then she'll never succeed in learning the language. In my opinion, her not knowing fluent French is not a reason she should stay in the States and it doesn't mean it's in her best interest to do so. If her father and his girlfriend provide a safe and loving home, THAT is in the best interest of the child and it doesn't matter where she'll live. It's not as though NO ONE in France speaks English, she can always get a tutor and I highly doubt that the school will just allow her to sit there, not learning anything.

It has nothing to do with my being ignorant of the school system (and you may think calling me ignorant is some sort of jab, but everyone is ignorant in some way or another or they'd be know-it-alls :p ) it has to do with the desire (for her or anyone moving to another country) to learn the culture and the language and what's best for her. Should her father just leave her with her manipulative grandmother because she might not get into a university or get a great job right out of HS? If this woman and her family are already manipulating her it's probably in her best interest to get away from them. She is a minor, therefore she goes where her father says she goes, whether she, you or anyone else thinks it's a bad idea. If Acceptance goes, the father is sure to go with her. They are committed to each other and have a child and they make the decisions in their family, not the cousins, brothers, grandmothers or neighbors.

And, yes, you are still assuming that she won't do well and wind up begging for change as a mime in some French alley because she is not fluent, whether you believe that you are or not. For all anyone knows, she's an honor student and could learn the French language rather quickly.
 


rmet4nzkx

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leeleeblue said:
If the father has sole custody, it's his decision where his child will live, end of story. If she's going to live with a French family and she's already learning the basics of French in her current school, it's safe to assume that she can do well if she tries. If she moves there and sits around reading American books and watching American TV, then she'll never succeed in learning the language. In my opinion, her not knowing fluent French is not a reason she should stay in the States and it doesn't mean it's in her best interest to do so. If her father and his girlfriend provide a safe and loving home, THAT is in the best interest of the child and it doesn't matter where she'll live. It's not as though NO ONE in France speaks English, she can always get a tutor and I highly doubt that the school will just allow her to sit there, not learning anything.

It has nothing to do with my being ignorant of the school system (and you may think calling me ignorant is some sort of jab, but everyone is ignorant in some way or another or they'd be know-it-alls :p ) it has to do with the desire (for her or anyone moving to another country) to learn the culture and the language and what's best for her. Should her father just leave her with her manipulative grandmother because she might not get into a university or get a great job right out of HS? If this woman and her family are already manipulating her it's probably in her best interest to get away from them. She is a minor, therefore she goes where her father says she goes, whether she, you or anyone else thinks it's a bad idea. If Acceptance goes, the father is sure to go with her. They are committed to each other and have a child and they make the decisions in their family, not the cousins, brothers, grandmothers or neighbors.

And, yes, you are still assuming that she won't do well and wind up begging for change as a mime in some French alley because she is not fluent, whether you believe that you are or not. For all anyone knows, she's an honor student and could learn the French language rather quickly.
It doesn't matter what your personal opinion is, mom and GM may petition the courts to prevent the move or for custody, if and or when they do, OP and dad will have to prove how it is in the child's best interest above everything else, not in OP's interst to the detriment of the child. THe child doesn't want to go, hasn't learned French even though she lives with a Frenchwoman, we don't know that anyone is actually mindwashing her, we don't know her educational history or language abilities? In fact if she doesn't want to go and is 16 or older, a court is likely to listen to her wishes whether or not mom or Grandma file any action. A lot of teenagers don't want to move to an ajoining town. We don't know that dad actually want's to go to France, especially if his daughter can't go, or that they are a loving family. You are assuming facts not in evidence.
 
No, I'm not assuming anything, I said "If her father and his girlfriend provide a safe and loving home, THAT is in the best interest of the child and it doesn't matter where she'll live." Obviously if the family is not a good one (the father is a drunk, the gf beats the kids, the children are not taken care of) then it's not a good idea for her to go and the GM has every right to try and stop them from taking the girl(s). No one but that family knows what's good for them and what's not (and a judge if it gets that far). I just didn't think the "she doesn't speak French so she'll fail" argument was solid at all.
 

rmet4nzkx

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leeleeblue said:
No, I'm not assuming anything, I said "If her father and his girlfriend provide a safe and loving home, THAT is in the best interest of the child and it doesn't matter where she'll live." Obviously if the family is not a good one (the father is a drunk, the gf beats the kids, the children are not taken care of) then it's not a good idea for her to go and the GM has every right to try and stop them from taking the girl(s). No one but that family knows what's good for them and what's not (and a judge if it gets that far). I just didn't think the "she doesn't speak French so she'll fail" argument was solid at all.
That is why knowledge of the French school system is essential as it applies to the child's best interest. We already know that she doesn't want to go and there are options for his family and her mother so it isn't a done deal. I think OP came here believing that the only issue was the daughter that didn't want to go, but the issue she should be worried about is her own daughter who may or not stay in the US There is no guarentee that dad will go to France and if he doesn't go he is more likely to receive custody since he is primary care giver.
 
Now that would be a battle wouldn't it!? If Mom has no choice but to leave the states and the father changes his mind he'd get to keep his American born child and she would have some fight on her hands. OY!!
 

rmet4nzkx

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leeleeblue said:
Now that would be a battle wouldn't it!? If Mom has no choice but to leave the states and the father changes his mind he'd get to keep his American born child and she would have some fight on her hands. OY!!
By Jove, I think you've got it!
 
Oh shush!

She never mentioned that the father didn't want to go (did she?), I think she's just worried that the mother will stop her bf from leaving. We'll never know what these people will wind up doing unless they send us a post card. I hope they don't send me one with a mime on it. ;)
 
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