Parties after prom

[CdwJava]

You do realize that there are teenagers who are capable of following the idea of 'alcohol limits'......right?

What you don't understand is the safe and legal limit for alcohol and minors is "zero." You continue to contend that minors can consume alcohol responsibly. Yeah, maybe SOME can, but there is a reason why alcohol-related deaths (mostly due to traffic collisions) is the number one killer of teens and young adults. It's because American teens lack - by and large - the physical and emotional maturity to consume alcohol safely. Sadly, this time of year is one where we pull dead teens out of canals and scrape them off of the roads with some frequency. And I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "They only had a little," or, "We were being responsible ..." as I look into the reasons why four teenagers were mangled around a tree, or two kids drowned in a canal.

What kids like you are is damn lucky. You roll the dice each time you drink, and hubris causes you to think that you are being responsible. Responsibility is NOT the safe and illegal consumption of alcohol, it is something else entirely. You'll figure this out when you grow up.

 

[ecmst12]

Bless you Carl, but you really know that you will never win an argument against a teenage punk who knows he's always right....save yourself from banging your head against this wall!

 

[xteer76]

What you don't understand is the safe and legal limit for alcohol and minors is "zero." You continue to contend that minors can consume alcohol responsibly. Yeah, maybe SOME can, but there is a reason why alcohol-related deaths (mostly due to traffic collisions) is the number one killer of teens and young adults. It's because American teens lack - by and large - the physical and emotional maturity to consume alcohol safely. Sadly, this time of year is one where we pull dead teens out of canals and scrape them off of the roads with some frequency. And I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "They only had a little," or, "We were being responsible ..." as I look into the reasons why four teenagers were mangled around a tree, or two kids drowned in a canal.

What kids like you are is damn lucky. You roll the dice each time you drink, and hubris causes you to think that you are being responsible. Responsibility is NOT the safe and illegal consumption of alcohol, it is something else entirely. You'll figure this out when you grow up.

Your opinion is warped by worst case scenarios.

I don't like being 'drunk' (I was 'spinny' once and I hated it). I have 2 or 3 good quality brews and that's it. My friends are the same. It's more about hanging out. We're not 'lucky'. We just don't take risks. No driving, no wandering off by water, stay together.

 

[cbg]

Which does not change the fact that you are breaking the law with every sip you take.

 

[xteer76]

Which does not change the fact that you are breaking the law with every sip you take.

Umm yeah. I'm pretty sure that's not the conversation we're having.

I don't think I've disputed that.

 

[cbg]

It's the conversation I'm having.

And I'll be the one having the last laugh when you show up here whining about the MIP you eventually get.

 

[CdwJava]

Umm yeah. I'm pretty sure that's not the conversation we're having.

I don't think I've disputed that.

Hence, unwise, and unsafe.

Clearly, you don't understand the risk in what you do. That's fine. I understand that. I was a teenage boy once upon a time myself. Fortunately (hopefully), time and maturity will grant you the wisdom to understand the risks you and your peers take every time you act in your self-described "responsible" manner. Hopefully that maturity won't come as the result of a friend's funeral. Sadly, the sobering call for too many teens and young adults comes from just that.

But, what do I know, I only deal with this every day, do drug and alcohol counseling, investigate alcohol related collisions, and have counseled kids who have lost friends who had been acting in a similar "responsible" manner. The mantra, "he only had a couple" rings in my ears ...

Hopefully yours is a long and happy life, and with any luck you will mature and come to understand real responsibility before college or the working world leads you down an even more dangerous path of drinking.

 

[xteer76]

It's the conversation I'm having.

And I'll be the one having the last laugh when you show up here whining about the MIP you eventually get.

Then I hope you have other things in your life that you can laugh about too. Don't sit around waiting for me.

 

[xteer76]

Hence, unwise, and unsafe.

Clearly, you don't understand the risk in what you do. That's fine. I understand that. I was a teenage boy once upon a time myself. Fortunately (hopefully), time and maturity will grant you the wisdom to understand the risks you and your peers take every time you act in your self-described "responsible" manner. Hopefully that maturity won't come as the result of a friend's funeral. Sadly, the sobering call for too many teens and young adults comes from just that.

But, what do I know, I only deal with this every day, do drug and alcohol counseling, investigate alcohol related collisions, and have counseled kids who have lost friends who had been acting in a similar "responsible" manner. The mantra, "he only had a couple" rings in my ears ...

Hopefully yours is a long and happy life, and with any luck you will mature and come to understand real responsibility before college or the working world leads you down an even more dangerous path of drinking.

You're like 100% doom.

You know "he only had a couple" is likely a lie.

The majority of teens survive this just fine. You can't dispute that.

 

[CdwJava]

You're like 100% doom.

You know "he only had a couple" is likely a lie.

The majority of teens survive this just fine. You can't dispute that.

But ages 16-19 are four to five times as likely as any other age band to be killed or seriously injured in alcohol related collisions, and the fact remains that the number one cause of death in teens is alcohol related.

Yeah, I'm "doom" ... I see the results of these poor choices made by kids. And kids like you fail to comprehend the fact that they are making poor choices - they rationalize and defend. So, I understand it. I have teens at home, I have taught teenagers for most of my life, and have dealt with the attitude as a cop. It's understandable ... but, it doesn't make it right, nor "responsible" - no matter how many times you might say it is.

I guess we're done here. I'm off to work and will leave whatever final reply to you. Good luck, and I hope you grow into a truly responsible adult sooner rather than later.

 

[cbg]

Oh, believe me, I have better things to do than sit around waiting for you. But I've been here for a long time, and I'll still be here on that inevitable day, whatever else I may have been doing in the meantime.

You don't believe me now, but you're not invincible. I know you think you are, but I promise you, you're not.

Now go away, little boy. No one is impressed, and every time you open your mouth (cybernetically speaking, of course) you just show everyone what a juvenile you still are. You think you're showing how cool you are? Please. I've seen campfires that did a better job of it.

 

[xteer76]

But ages 16-19 are four to five times as likely as any other age band to be killed or seriously injured in alcohol related collisions, and the fact remains that the number one cause of death in teens is alcohol related.

Yeah, I'm "doom" ... I see the results of these poor choices made by kids. And kids like you fail to comprehend the fact that they are making poor choices - they rationalize and defend. So, I understand it. I have teens at home, I have taught teenagers for most of my life, and have dealt with the attitude as a cop. It's understandable ... but, it doesn't make it right, nor "responsible" - no matter how many times you might say it is.

I guess we're done here. I'm off to work and will leave whatever final reply to you. Good luck, and I hope you grow into a truly responsible adult sooner rather than later.

Ok. Well I'll continue to consciously make what I think are sensible decisions. And I guess those will change over time. Since I'm young. I believe that I do everything I can think of to reduce there ever being a problem -outside of not drinking at all. I already think about things like drinking and driving, looking after friends and knowing where they are, alcohol poisoning. Drinking is not hugely important to me, I don't like to drink a lot. I don't do it all the time, I enjoy doing a whole lot of other things too. I came here asking a question out of my interest in how exactly those rules worked. I didn't come here to argue about drinking specifically.

But the conversation has been interesting. I did READ all your posts even if I just sound like I'm arguing. I hope you have a safe shift.

 

[quincy]

Ok. Well I'll continue to consciously make what I think are sensible decisions. And I guess those will change over time. Since I'm young. I believe that I do everything I can think of to reduce there ever being a problem -outside of not drinking at all. I already think about things like drinking and driving, looking after friends and knowing where they are, alcohol poisoning. Drinking is not hugely important to me, I don't like to drink a lot. I don't do it all the time, I enjoy doing a whole lot of other things too. I came here asking a question out of my interest in how exactly those rules worked. I didn't come here to argue about drinking specifically.

But the conversation has been interesting. I did READ all your posts even if I just sound like I'm arguing. I hope you have a safe shift.

You are showing some maturity here, xteer. I especially like your last three sentences.

 

[CdwJava]

I will also add that unlike most of our teen posters here, you have responded using proper grammar and in an articulate manner. Intelligence is not the contention here, clearly, but the wisdom that comes with time. It may be that intelligence that has kept you and your friends from any real consequences so far. But, it is time that will grant you the wisdom and maturity that will truly mold you into a responsible adult.

One thing that I have told my 19-year old son (Dean's list, 4.0) that he has failed to understand is that while HE might be "responsible" when he drinks, the others around him might not be. Those others might be the ones that will assault him, offer him a ride, or even attract attention such that the police get involved and he gets arrested. Responsibility is more than simply drinking in moderation, it is also considering all of the surrounding factors and understanding that one's own actions are not the entire part of any social equation.

Okay, off to work ... my patrol car is in the driveway, so I don't have to go TOO far!

 

[xteer76]

One thing that I have told my 19-year old son (Dean's list, 4.0) that he has failed to understand is that while HE might be "responsible" when he drinks, the others around him might not be. Those others might be the ones that will assault him, offer him a ride, or even attract attention such that the police get involved and he gets arrested. Responsibility is more than simply drinking in moderation, it is also considering all of the surrounding factors and understanding that one's own actions are not the entire part of any social equation.

Yeah. True.

And that is part of why I don't go to epic-style parties that sometimes happen around here. Why draw attention to yourself...