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Ex and new hubby trying to get kids to call him DAD!

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rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
Stealth2,
Of course you sympathize with OP because you have similar issues about the names step-children call their step parent, that is fine if all you are doing is being supportive but makes it difficult to offer objective advise, let alone, legal advise, if he takes it to court the judge is going to tell him to get therapy.

When the children brought up the issue if indeed they did, then a simple solution would have been to say "It's ok, I understand this is new and you have to have something to call him, right? What would you like to call Jeff?" and then, "I'll talk with your Mommy and Jeff about that soon if that's ok with you?" It is not healthy to tell them how that makes him upset, sad or hurts his feelings, he is responsible for his feelings, not to project them on his girls, they are too young to be exposed to his dysfunctional emotional reactions, it sets a poor example at least, if not meant to lay on a guilt trip.

These children are there with him this weekend and instead of spending time with them, trying to make up for the vacation he denied them, he is venting over it on the internet and those girls will be still be exposed to all the negative aspects of this even if he doesn't admit to directly discussing it with them they will still be impacted by it.

"7-13-4 A new situation - She called and left a message asking to get the kids two days early from me next week. No mention of the letters though. No mention of mondays or the issue I have brought up. What should I do???
.....I have decided and it may sound like im just being mean but NO she cant have them two days early. Why the heck would I turn around and give up my time of two days just so she can go back to messing with me and my GF the next week. She picked up those poor kids at 10 pm on July 4th, probably didnt get back to her house until 10:20 pm. The kids then had to get back up the next morning at 5:30am. Is that caring??? Was that being workable? Im sick of always being the bad guy! .....Whew.....That felt good......She wants the extra two days to go to california to visit family. I usually say yes but this time no. I let them go early last month for the same reason. AND I must include, on numerous occasions I will let her pick the kids up early, either a day or just a few hours to find out later the kids didnt even see the family until the next day or what ever. She just got them early because she could and I was nice and believed her story."

We don't know what really happened all we know is what OP claims or reports, he even says there is more to it and when you look back at his last thread quoted in part above, which was 5 pages long, you discover what is also going on when he innocently asks here:
"Is it wrong to say something when my girls tell me that mom and her new hubby are trying to get them to call him dad and me dadddy???? Keep in mind that we have 50/50 custody and I am very involved with my kids. I have them Mon-thursdays. .......The girls are 5 and 7. I explained to my daughters that while I feel Jeff is a great guy and I am glad he is so nice to them, that being called dad is a special title for someone. There was more to it but yes, i did explain my feelings to them. I havent talked to my ex yet. She is out of town right now and wont be back to get the girls until next thursday. I was basically going to say that the girls should not feel this kind of pressure. It puts them in the middle. That they have one mom and one dad forever and that is how it should be."

If you go back and look at his last post you see that she wanted to take the girls on a vacation to visit family in California picking them up 2 days early, after finally getting support of a few people here decided to not allow her to do that because he had the right to, not that it was in his daughters best interest to visit with their extended family and build healthy relationships and also because he has a need to control and to get more than his share of the time. So she had to leave without them and he got more time with them and they were denied their vacation. If he had followed som eof the suggestions for shared time this wouldn't have been an issue either, these things become issues because he makes them issues. Now this comes up, it is too obvious!

"Stealth2: Oh, I agree with you completely. When my ex remarried, there was a lot of pressure on the kids to call their stepmom "Mom". Mine were a bit ilder, and they made it plain on their own that it wasn't happening - they have a Mom who is actively involved (I'm the CP) and that's where the name belongs. Their stepsibs call my ex "Dad" even though their father is very involved in their lives (and it's something that my kids hate, that they call my ex "Dad"); my ex calls him their "ex father". "
See this is your issue.

When psychologists and other professional look at situations we consider that we are only getting one side of the picture and will use terms such as, report or claim to differientiate from the actual initial unsolicited words of the child, as he said there is more to this than what he is putting there. He reports what he knows will provide the response he wants and how to push buttons, that why his threads are so long and have nothing to do with legal advise and he even admits he is here to VENT "yes i know just venting but it helps." but is offended when someone appropriately suggests therapy!
 


kidoday

Senior Member
With all the psycho babble going on, some may forget that the children came to the father with the problem; they don't want to call Jeff Dad. It is not wrong to have a parent understand and agree with childrens worries. It is not wrong to have the father validate the childrens reasoning for not wanting to call another man Dad. In my unprofessional non psychologist, non counselor opinion they were seeking validation that they were correct in not wanting to call another man Dad. The poster as far as we know took care of their concerns for the time being and upon the return of his ex wife will talk to her regarding the situation.
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
(edit - to rmet)

I hate to tell you, but the novels are getting old. I've read his posts - you don't need to convince me. But could you PLEASE try to be a little less verbose? I don't bother wading through posts this long.

And you might be surprised about what a judge would or wouldn't say. I know people who have had a judge put verbiage in a custody order that the children are not to call SO's or SP's Mom, Dad or anything similar. So it's not just a kneejerk reaction.
 
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Reyna7

Member
Don't Understand

What is the big deal with what a child calls a Step Parent. Are you people that insecure or filled with hate for step parents that you have to be this petty. So what if a child calls a step dad "dad". It does not delineate from you being the "real" parent.

My step children love me and I love them and it was their choice to call me Mom. They asked and I told them whatever they want. Their mom is remarried and they call their step dad by his name or nothing as he is a POS and they don't like him. If he was good to them and they loved him, my husband would not care if they called him Dad. He is secure in his relationship with his kids.

Back to the OP's question, if in fact his kids came to him and were uncomfortable because mom and SD were forcing the issuse, then he was correct in talking to them about it and he should have a talk with the ex.

No wonder Judges seem so grouchy, especially if BS stuff like this is argued in front of them. I would be embarrassed to put this in my papers..."please your honor, make sure my kids never ever call their step parent "Mom/Dad".
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Reyna7 said:
What is the big deal with what a child calls a Step Parent. (snip)

if in fact his kids came to him and were uncomfortable because mom and SD were forcing the issuse,
You pointed out the problem. It really is that simple.
 
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blameshifting

Guest
stealth2 said:
yeah, yeah, yeah. The fact remains, these children (as mine do) have two parents who are active in their lives. The stepparents they have (or may have) can be loving and positive forces in those lives. But they don't replace the parents who created them and who are active participants.

You are of the position that it's just a name. I'm not. It's called a difference of opinion.
I'm not suggesting or advocating that anyone "replace the parents who created them and who are active participants". I'm telling you that there is a new active participant and YOU need to accept it AND the name.
 
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blameshifting

Guest
stealth2 said:
You pointed out the problem. It really is that simple.
Yes, that's the problem but you don't have the right solution.

Sit down with the child, be sympathetic and explain that calling someone else Dad (or Mom) doesn't diminish their relationship with you or hurt your feelings (if it does, get some help so you don't let your problem become your child's problem). Let them know it's going to be uncomfortable for awhile getting used to a 2nd Dad (or Mom), it's a normal feeling. Teach them that it's important to respect their new Mom and Dad and using the preferred name at his house is the right thing to do.

Or you can give them a great example on why Mommy and Daddy couldn't get along and drag them right into the middle. Make them choose sides, make them a pawn.
 

haiku

Senior Member
I love horses I REALLY do!

this all statrts with the parents, it is ONE thing if a child REALLY wants to call a step by a parental name, its another when it is encouraged by the parent married to the step in question.

the buck stops there.

If mom just accepts that "jeff" is "jeff" and he is "special" enough just on that fact alone, it is not neccesary, to find "jeff" a special name.

my stepkids have the 'honor' of being the ONLY kids who don't call me "mom", "Auntie Haiku" or "Mrs. Mr. Haiku" Its enough for me, and most importantly EVERYONE is happy, and no feathers get ruffled over something so small. (yes it is small, but it can be a thorn, but small enough that if the other parent knows its a thorn they can avoid making it one)

Simple enough in theory....
 

snodderly

Member
Go back and reread his post(s). The children came to HIM and expressed their discomfort - not the other way around.

stealth, There has been no misunderstanding of who went to who. I'm aware that his children went to him with their feelings.

Again - go back and reread. This is EXACTLY what he said he was going to do. Y'all are reading a lot of extra crap that he never said.

I'm not reading anymore than the poster has posted stealth. He did not say that he was simply going to talk to the mother about it. He said when his girls came to him he had a talk about his "idea" of parenting. During that discussion his feelings were expressed regarding how he would feel if his girls called this other man dad. That is not the same thing as telling his little girls not to worry about it, that he will talk to mom.

yeah, yeah, yeah. The fact remains, these children (as mine do) have two parents who are active in their lives. The stepparents they have (or may have) can be loving and positive forces in those lives. But they don't replace the parents who created them and who are active participants.

You are of the position that it's just a name. I'm not. It's called a difference of opinion.


You and a few others here are missing the point all together. This has turned into a debate over whether or not it is OK to call a step parent mom or dad. You have taken this from a discussion about what is best for the children to what is best for you.

I DO NOT ever want my children to refer to another woman as mother. Those are my feelings. The issue is not what my feelings are but what my children's feelings are. If my children came to me and were uncomfortable and felt forced I would take up the issue with my ex and tell them not to worry about it.

If they were comfortable with it, wanted to think of her as another mother then I would have to learn to live with it. I would not like it, it would hurt me like hell but I would not put those feelings off onto my children. They are my feelings and there is nothing they can do about it.

There is a professional term for parents who use their feelings to manipulate a child's choices. It's call emotional incest. It is deplorable!! This man did not simply tell his children not to worry about it, that daddy would take care of it. He dumped his feelings off on his children and gave them that much more to worry about.

That is what this thread is about...not whether it is right or wrong for a child to call someone else mom. Only the child themselves can determine that.
snodderly
 
rmet4nzkx

rmet4nzkx ,

You seem to want to "make up" alot of stuff that has never happened. I said my children came to me with the problem, well then I must be lying right! Why would my girls come to dad with a problem. That has to be wrong, that would never in a million years happen. If I remember correctly, you are the one who told me I was mad because mom remarried. You have repeatedly added things from out of the blue for no reason. Please stop reading things into my posts. Please stop adding things that I have never said.

Since you obviously need to know exactly how it happened,

When the children brought up the issue if indeed they did, then a simple solution would have been to say "It's ok, I understand this is new and you have to have something to call him, right? What would you like to call Jeff?" and then, "I'll talk with your Mommy and Jeff about that soon if that's ok with you?" It is not healthy to tell them how that makes him upset, sad or hurts his feelings, he is responsible for his feelings, not to project them on his girls, they are too young to be exposed to his dysfunctional emotional reactions, it sets a poor example at least, if not meant to lay on a guilt trip.
My girls were asking about my mom who had passed away before they were born. They know that when I talk about her I get very sensative. (Let me guess, I should hide that from them also.) I was telling them what a great mom I had and that is when my 7 year old told me Jeff and mommy keep asking me to call him dad and you daddy. My younger one was shaking her head yes as in agreement with her sister. I asked them both, what do want to call Jeff? They both said they didnt want to call him dad. I then went on to say that being called dad or mom was a very special title. That they didnt have to call my finace Mom when we get married. I told them how lucky I was to have two smart little girls who are turning out so beautiful. I told them I would talk to Jeff and mommy and ask them to stop asking.

Ok so shoot me! I must be this evil wicked dad who put these poor children in the middle. I must have worked this info out of them because after all, that is what ALL divorced parents do. How could we ever just have a normal conversation that happens to bring up an issue they want to talk about. 5 and 7?? Oh they dont have issues, they just skip along and run into their rooms to play, right??? Wrong! I dont care if my girls are 5 and 7 or 15 and 17, if they have a problem, they can talk to me about it. Show me once where I said I told the girls, "you calling Jeff dad would make me sad". Show me that!!!!! Show me in anyone of my posts where I said "you will NEVER call him dad!" People have added that. People are putting words into my mouth that were never said, that isnt fair!!!!!


If you go back and look at his last post you see that she wanted to take the girls on a vacation to visit family in California picking them up 2 days early, after finally getting support of a few people here decided to not allow her to do that because he had the right to, not that it was in his daughters best interest to visit with their extended family and build healthy relationships and also because he has a need to control and to get more than his share of the time. So she had to leave without them and he got more time with them and they were denied their vacation. If he had followed som eof the suggestions for shared time this wouldn't have been an issue either, these things become issues because he makes them issues. Now this comes up, it is too obvious!
Yes, please everyone, go back and read my first posts. Read how I have been trying to get my ex to let the kids sleep a little longer monday mornings. Read how I agreed with her suggestion about her keeping them two extra hours on mondays so they could sleep. Read that now that I have agreed with her to keep the girls two extra hours she wont answer. Read how, NO I will not let the girls leave early from my home. LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY, I AGREED TO HER SUGGESTION. MY EX'S SUGGESTION! DIDNT FORCE MY SUGGESTION ON HER. DIDNT SCREAM OR YELL, BUT WENT WITH HER SUGGESTION. But when mom comes to my house on the 4th of July to pick the kids up at 10pm so at 5:30 am the next morning they have to be picked up, no I will not just change and let her pick the kids up early at her command. You have no clue half of what she puts my kids through. Have I explained how she was starting to get my five year old shots ALL over again because she knew it would hurt me! Claimed she couldnt find the shot record!!! That was the last note I got! I went down to the health clinic and got it though! My five year old went through 6 extra shots she didnt even need!!!!!! But I must be making that up right? Or let me guess, somehow it my fault that she did this. Somehow I figured out away to keep her from getting the shot record. Somehow, deep inside I wanted my five year old to be hurting right??? You are right, this site is for advice. As I look up at the top of this screen it says FreeAdvice Forums, not FreeLegalAdvice Forums. I figured it would be healthier to post and vent here then to keep inside. I guess there are few people that would rather not help but would rather add salt to others wounds.

I was wrong, I should have not been posting this stuff on the internet. You are right, you dont know what happens in my home. So I wont post here anymore. Nothing I am saying is getting read correctly by some. For others sake, please read posts carefully, you are posting things that dont have any meaning or substance.

These children are there with him this weekend and instead of spending time with them, trying to make up for the vacation he denied them, he is venting over it on the internet and those girls will be still be exposed to all the negative aspects of this even if he doesn't admit to directly discussing it with them they will still be impacted by it.
Oh and by the way, you are also on the internet posting. Dont you have kids??? If not, then you should not be putting advice in here.
 

snodderly

Member
The difference between validation and manipulation...

It is not wrong to have a parent understand and agree with childrens worries. It is not wrong to have the father validate the childrens reasoning for not wanting to call another man Dad. In my unprofessional non psychologist, non counselor opinion they were seeking validation that they were correct in not wanting to call another man Dad.

To validate you agree with the child...."That must make you uncomfortable, you don't worry about it, I will talk to mom and take care of it." Dad has told them it is OK to feel bad about it...he has validated their feelings.

To manipulate, daddy says to his girls, "you are right, you shouldn't be calling him dad and this is why. Instead of validating their feelings he has used their feelings to get what he wants...distance between his children and their stepfather and control over the situation.

That isn't psycho babble either...just good, common sense.
snodderly
 
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blameshifting

Guest
AmIUnreasonable:
You have a lot of issues, why don't you take my advice and speak with a professional about how to better deal with your ex. A lot of people with kids divorce and manage to get along decently.

You aren't one of those people.

Get some help, but not here, this is a legal forum and you don't have a legal question.
 

CheeseHead

Junior Member
Amiunreasonable,

Dont listen to these drools, you are right.

I didnt read anywhere that you said anything wrong.

I will come back after reading your last post also!
 

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